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MGadda

PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:01 pm


OK, so I'm not sure if this belongs in Grip of Death's thread, since I can only find news about this bill happening in South Carolina... her thread said North, but...ah... sweatdrop

Anyway, I found this article.
Here it is.

If nothing else, the remarks from some of the reps are interesting.

The article
The Republican-dominated House passed the proposal 91-23 after a contentious debate that included the defeat of two amendments that would have exempted victims of rape or incest from having to view the images.

"Are you saying God makes mistakes with the lives he creates?" said Rep. Greg Delleney, R-Chester, the bill's chief sponsor.

Huh. Yes, please tell the victim of terrible sexual violence that her Representative in government thinks that God was at work through her rape, and that she should have to totally check out the end result because that's what said representative thinks that God wants. Very comforting.

Another Republican made with much hand-wringing over allowing a rape exception, since:
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the exemption would create an "enormous loophole" for women to lie about being raped so they could avoid looking at the images.

and he got told:
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"You will have all the verification you can possibly stand when you see the terror in that woman's face," said Rep. Leon Stavrinakis, D-Charleston.

Yeesh. And yet, without the rape/incest exceptions, this measure was passed 91-23, with two Republicans voting against it, and twenty-three dems in favor. stare

The article goes on to note that the measure will have to be approved by a GOP-controlled Senate, but will likely be amended to excuse the victims of incest and rape from the mandate.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:17 am


The only good I see in this is less regret women would have from not being sure if they want an abortion or not and who do abort. And I'm rather iffy on that.

Also, no matter if I needed an abortion and lived in SC, whenever I see a sonogram, I can't tell what's what anyway. And when pointed out, I still don't see it.

Katsuya Ishtar


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:47 am


Even almost full term fetuses cannot be identified by non-trained-proffessionals. If your seriously swayed by a bunch of blobs on a screen you probably shouldn't be doing it anyway. It usually means someones forcing you into it.. i always wonder if people who change their minds because some propaganda that got smeared in their face really think about what they are doing. Or are they just going with the majority to make them leave them alone? I used to do that. Then i turned 10. -.-

It's more disgusting that they would be FORCED to see it. Forcing anything on someone who is emotionally unstable is a bad thing. These people should be forced to watch the Hiroshima and Holocaust docomentaries and then vote again. Sick sick disturbing assholes. Mind you i've seen sonograms of my insides and at some parts it looked the same as those old images of Hiroshima and the Holocaust we saw in school.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:07 am


I don't mind the sonogram thing.

My only issue is that these women are apparently forced to view these.
If it were a case of "would you like to see the sonogram before the procedure?" I'd be fine with it, but none of this "HERE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BABY UR SLAUGHTERING" crap. Because if you're forcing women to looka t these that's teh message you're getting across.

Half Baked SF


Fran Salaska

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:21 am


Like Katsuya said, I can see where the benefit would be to women who aren't sure, but it's not fair if the woman is aborting for health reasons and otherwise would have remained pregnant. That's unnecessary trauma.

I don't like the idea of women being forced to view a sonogram, but like LadyInWhite said, if a bunch of blobs makes you change your mind, you probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:54 am


Seeing the Kraken
Like Katsuya said, I can see where the benefit would be to women who aren't sure, but it's not fair if the woman is aborting for health reasons and otherwise would have remained pregnant. That's unnecessary trauma.
Truth.

How is it fair to the woman who has seen sonograms already and who knows her wanted fetus needs to be aborted?

And who the hell is paying for this? Sonograms are not cheap. If it is a burden on the women who want to abort, this is just one more financial leap that will only hurt the poor.

Talon-chan


Reinna Astarel

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:49 am


Does the President or the Congress have to watch horrifying scenes of soldiers dying bloody, gruesome deaths in war, being decapitated, shot through by bullets, tortured in interrogation sessions, etc.etc. before they declare war? Conversely, do they have to look at footage of civilians dying under an oppressive totalitarian government, children being kidnapped and brainwashed as child-soldiers, citizens being raped, etc. when they choose not to involve themselves in another country?

No? Not when they themselves control the living or dying of an enormous number of lives when they make that decision?

Honestly.

rolleyes

That said, I can't honestly think it'd make the slightest bit of difference, except in perhaps the cases of some women who weren't entirely sure if they wanted to get an abortion in the first place. I can't see myself changing my mind at all when I get shown a video/picture of the blob that is my fetus.

I suppose that it could help women who aren't entirely sure if they wanted to get an abortion make their decision- and if they choose not to, good for them. However, for rape victims, people who do want to keep the pregnancy- but are hampered by reality (financial problems, physical difficulties, etc.), it could pose unnecessary trauma, as someone above me has already stated.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:57 pm


I like the point that it will help them (kinda in a way) make a more informed choice, but I don't like the air that's passing this...

The Velveteen Violinist


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:50 pm


Question: How many of the people who voted in favour were men?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:09 pm



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