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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:15 pm
Hi guys,
It's been a while since we last did this, so Ciph and I thought it would be fun to start it up again. The name of the game is pretty much self-explanatory: People ask me questions about Go, and I answer them. Brilliant! XD
We're also considering some other ideas to help expand on this, e.g. posting a small lesson of some sort every week or two, so your input would be appreciated.
Hope you guys find this helpful, and let the asking begin!
Regards, K-san
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:43 pm
To start things off...
This may have actually been asked before, but since it was brought up in the Go discussion thread: Is there a good way to learn how to count territory? On easier shapes it may not be very difficult, but I always get confused on the more complicated shapes. I know that you can move around the pieces to make it easier, but that confuses me as well.
It's the one thing I've really struggled with from the beginning. ^_^;; I think I just need someone to explain it to me, and what better place to ask than the Ask K-san thread?
(I also like the lesson idea a lot!)
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:11 pm
This is a *really* good question, as it's something that everybody runs into when they start to play in-person, so no worries! If it's any comfort, I'll never forget when I was struggling with it, and being completely lost as my opponents helped show me how to score.
In reality, it's far easier than it seems, but really difficult to explain with only text, so I'm going to make a video that'll supplement this.
You already know that you can move the stones around to change the shape of your territory into something that's easier to count. This is fine for easier shapes, but what about a more complicated one? You can take some stones from one piece of territory and put it in another, and this is where 99% of the confusion lies. You can rearrange your territory as much as you need to, but the score must not change (i.e. the stones that you take out have to go back in your territory). For example: If you remove 5 stones from one piece of territory, you can move them to another piece, but they have to go back somewhere, and fill up 5 other points of territory. When you removed them, you created 5 more points of territory, so you have to cover up the 5 points somewhere else.
It's a real mouthful, so please feel free to ask if there's anything ambiguous about it, and I'm going to work on creating the video.
Great! That was Ciph's idea, so she deserves all the credit.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:47 am
...I did not know you could move pieces from one territory to another. It does make sense, though. Ahh, and you're even making a video? Great! It's so much easier for me to learn things through visuals - thank you very much! I'm not terribly confused at the moment, but I think seeing it will help me out when it comes to actually doing it.
Ah, then good idea, Cipher!
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:21 pm
^___________^ Congers Kakashi for making a came back with this thread. And I am here to learn as well, I am sure a lot people can use this thread to learn a lot about Go. ^_^
As I have mentioned over the IM, I want to know how to work some of the basic maneuvers out of tight spots. But I can't even remember what they are called ;_; sorry.. crying
and yes.. I am back! fianly gonk
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:28 pm
Lessons?! Did I hear the word "lessons"? (See, rather...) Sign me up!
And I do agree with Cipher; teaching us a few commonly used tesuji would be nice.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:34 pm
Gwyd: You're very welcome! Even if the explanation's clear (though it seemed like it helped, so I'm glad), it's still much better if you can actually see a demonstration/an application of it in a real game.
Azara: *holds up a sign with the word "lessons"*
Ciphy/Az: Thanks, and welcome back! I may have something in mind before getting to teaching commonly-used tesuji (e.g. common mistakes that beginners make), but we'll definitely cover that too, and we can elaborate on all of this when we're ready.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:26 pm
o.o oooook.. so.. what is on the lesson plan may I ask? mrgreen
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:02 pm
Hehe, both, but I think the common mistakes made by beginners is a better way to start, and then simple tesuji (or whatever else we come up with).
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:40 am
:: takes a sit and gets out her note book :: =^.^= ready when you are mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:46 pm
hehe, yay. ^^^^^^^^^^^
just need some free time to set up the "studio" . the video idea's growing on me (also allows to cover multiple things in one video), and that could be supplemented with a text and pictures version. so the medium sounds good, just have to figure out the exact material and find the time to do it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:09 pm
o.o .... k.......... cheese_whine
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:24 pm
Whoot! *Throws confetti and etc.* Sounds good. Ready anytime you are. 3nodding
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