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 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:45 pm
Discus "An Inconvenient Truth", possible ways to get rid of the problem, etc.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:12 am
i hate how people blame it all on us humans. global warming is a natural cycle that the earth goes through, just as it goes through ice ages as well. however, we arent really helping it along at all... output of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere isnt really helping the matter... so while its not our fault that global warming is occuring, we could be donig a lot more to prevent it from getting too bad too fast.
~Rin
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:02 am
 >> Only the blackest of heartsYeah, it is inevitable - however, I deeply, deeply, deeply blame Bush for the fact that it's suddenly upon us. Like, does anybody realize the amount of natural disasters that were really big and world-news and all that increased in frequency when he became President? And that whole thing with - he dropped a ton of the enviornmental funds rolleyes but whatever - it is inevitable, but it probably shouldn't have begun for a while... Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:56 am
I think that it WAS natural, but in the last 10 or so years we messed up. Now we only have a few years to reverse it... I think if we continue doing nothing, the world will warm a little too much.
Thats my opinion.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:40 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts*points to various ancient cultures* 2012 man, 2012. Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:41 am
yeah, they knew what they were talking about... 12/21/2012-- apocalyse! but yeah, aelx, everything you said is completely correct.... it SHOULDNT have begun for a while, so yes, we can blame bush as we blame him for everything else. well it IS partially his fault but partially OURS for re-electing him.... i dont care how bad kerry was, he mustve been better than this ******** XD
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:29 am
sarapuffindude I think that it WAS natural, but in the last 10 or so years we messed up. Now we only have a few years to reverse it... I think if we continue doing nothing, the world will warm a little too much. Thats my opinion.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:20 pm
>> Only the blackest of heartsIce Age was one thing, many species survived that - and humans were still fairly animalistic at the time. Global Warming will span over years, but in all due respect, we're probably "in it" right now and it's bound to get worse. The true question is - is our technology enough to keep us all alive, should we need it? Man vs. Nature - at it's finest. Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:34 pm
They are making moon bases soon. GEtting ice, bringing it back for water, and oxygen. Thats not to mention all the other things we do to prevent it. Its a start, but not enough. We need to adopt fission power
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:25 pm
Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting more carbon dioxide into the air.
Little Ice Age? That’s what chased the Vikings out of Greenland after they’d farmed there for a few hundred years during the Medieval Warm Period, an earlier run of a few centuries when the planet was very likely warmer than it is now, without any help from industrial activity in making it that way.
In the first 30 feet of the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from the Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how much [of the reflected energy] is absorbed by water vapor? In the first 30 feet, 80 percent, okay?
Eighty percent of the heat radiated back from the surface is absorbed in the first 30 feet by water vapor and how much is absorbed by carbon dioxide? Eight hundredths of one percent. One one-thousandth as important as water vapor. You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.
This begs questions about the widely publicized mathematical models researchers run through supercomputers to generate climate scenarios 50 or 100 years in the future. Reid A. Bryson [holds the 30th PhD in Meteorology granted in the history of American education; a member of the United Nations Global 500 Roll of Honor—created, the U.N. says, to recognize “outstanding achievements in the protection and improvement of the environment.” He has authored five books and more than 230 other publications and was identified by the British Institute of Geographers as the most frequently cited climatologist in the world] says the data fed into the computers overemphasizes carbon dioxide and accounts poorly for the effects of clouds—water vapor. Asked to evaluate the models’ long-range predictive ability, he answers with another question: “Do you believe a five-day forecast?”
Bryson says he looks in the opposite direction, at past climate conditions, for clues to future climate behavior. Trying that approach in the weeks following our interview, Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News soon found six separate papers about Antarctic ice core studies, published in peer-reviewed scientific journals between 1999 and 2006. The ice core data allowed researchers to examine multiple climate changes reaching back over the past 650,000 years. All six studies found atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations tracking closely with temperatures, but with CO2 lagging behind changes in temperature, rather than leading them. The time lag between temperatures moving up—or down—and carbon dioxide following ranged from a few hundred to a few thousand years.
Bush is hardly to blame with climate change that has been occurring on it's own with no help from us for thousands of years.
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