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 Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:32 pm
Seriously, I want to know what it is about the Gaia demographic that makes the overwhelming majority of posters here such collectivist thinkers. stressed
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:11 am
Personally, I ask myself, "What's with all the socialists?" Period.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:32 am
The answer to both your questions is basically one word. Laziness. People want the government to take over just about everything, so they won't have to bother. Why go through all the effort of saving up for retirement when Uncle Sam provides Social Security? Why go to the effort to purchase and learn how to use a gun for self defense when we have laws and law enforcment to protect us? Whats a little lost freedom compared to the covienience of NOT HAVING TO THINK?! The basic dea of collectivity is that SOCIETY will handle everything, requiring very little INDIVIDUAL effort. This is the major problem with America today, and it only makes sense that if we raise our children in a society with such a mentality, (of course, why bother with that when we have public schools?) they will have similar views. Its how they were raised.
Now, if only we could figure out a way to get people to stop being so lazy amd unwilling to accet personal responsibility. Until then, I see little hope for the LP since our message is based on success through effort, and taking responsibility for your own actions, and that just plain doesn't fly with the American population anymore.
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:37 pm
I'd say the biggest reason for all the socialists in America is government education. The government controls education, so they control people's way of thinking, especially very young people who have not had a chance to see any other perspective. It only makes sense for them to educate the masses in a way that is favorable to them.
As far as Gaia, which I assume is not entirely made up of Americans, my guess would be that socialists like mindless activities, and Gaia has the potential to be mindless...it depends on the user.
~The ever-fallible, Anise
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:25 pm
Anise_Amberly I'd say the biggest reason for all the socialists in America is government education. The government controls education, so they control people's way of thinking, especially very young people who have not had a chance to see any other perspective. It only makes sense for them to educate the masses in a way that is favorable to them. As far as Gaia, which I assume is not entirely made up of Americans, my guess would be that socialists like mindless activities, and Gaia has the potential to be mindless...it depends on the user. ~The ever-fallible, Anise In my school, we're being taught to hate the government because it isn't doing enough to 'help the people'... Which, in english, means that my teachers think that taxes should be raised dramatically--possibly doubled--so that more people can get free money. The trend seems to be to hate the government while advocating a bigger, more powerful government. I don't get it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:15 am
Anise_Amberly I'd say the biggest reason for all the socialists in America is government education. The government controls education, so they control people's way of thinking, especially very young people who have not had a chance to see any other perspective. It only makes sense for them to educate the masses in a way that is favorable to them. As far as Gaia, which I assume is not entirely made up of Americans, my guess would be that socialists like mindless activities, and Gaia has the potential to be mindless...it depends on the user. ~The ever-fallible, Anise Yup we do love mindless activities.... Now are we talking about Socialism in general or Marxist socialism? Either or since this is rather a subjective term whats your definition? I dont consider Europe socialist by anymeans for its still in the Mixed economy....... but it all depends upon what you view what is socialist and what isnt...... Havent any of you heard of Libertarian Socialism? I'm not a huge fan of that sect it is possible but to me screams way to much like anarcho communism..... Its just plain silly Ahh so your blaming the Educational apparatus that is at fault? Well wouldnt the objective points of an educational system be to keep the state overrall in tacked? So then why would the US public educational system be at fault if the purpose of the educational system is to provide a working force capable of sustaining the state? Is it that the public educational system in the US unlike others around the world is not filling in the requirements to have its public schools able to fullfill the needs of the state?
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:20 am
High_Assassin The answer to both your questions is basically one word. Laziness. People want the government to take over just about everything, so they won't have to bother. Why go through all the effort of saving up for retirement when Uncle Sam provides Social Security? Why go to the effort to purchase and learn how to use a gun for self defense when we have laws and law enforcment to protect us? Whats a little lost freedom compared to the covienience of NOT HAVING TO THINK?! The basic dea of collectivity is that SOCIETY will handle everything, requiring very little INDIVIDUAL effort. This is the major problem with America today, and it only makes sense that if we raise our children in a society with such a mentality, (of course, why bother with that when we have public schools?) they will have similar views. Its how they were raised. Now, if only we could figure out a way to get people to stop being so lazy amd unwilling to accet personal responsibility. Until then, I see little hope for the LP since our message is based on success through effort, and taking responsibility for your own actions, and that just plain doesn't fly with the American population anymore. Depends upon what you view is the majority factor that makes up the individual mindset.... society/biology.... individuality deals with perception of society which makes unique views but on the other hand the social environment is still a rather powerful stimulus..... The problem Im seeing in most of the United States is lacking in authortive figures... now I am not talking about dictatorships I am talking about simple parental authrotative figures. So should society run strictly off of emprical scientific theory or morality? Seeing as Game Theory is on the side of the collectivists I wouldnt say scientific theories.... especially when game theory is involved... I still need to read about it but I heard its quite interesting. It uses mathmatical equations with collective groups or so Ive heard.... and it favors the collectivist mindset..... rather then the Individual....
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:06 pm
SoViEtTaNkT34 Anise_Amberly I'd say the biggest reason for all the socialists in America is government education. The government controls education, so they control people's way of thinking, especially very young people who have not had a chance to see any other perspective. It only makes sense for them to educate the masses in a way that is favorable to them. As far as Gaia, which I assume is not entirely made up of Americans, my guess would be that socialists like mindless activities, and Gaia has the potential to be mindless...it depends on the user. ~The ever-fallible, Anise Yup we do love mindless activities.... Now are we talking about Socialism in general or Marxist socialism? Either or since this is rather a subjective term whats your definition? I dont consider Europe socialist by anymeans for its still in the Mixed economy....... but it all depends upon what you view what is socialist and what isnt...... Havent any of you heard of Libertarian Socialism? I'm not a huge fan of that sect it is possible but to me screams way to much like anarcho communism..... Its just plain silly Ahh so your blaming the Educational apparatus that is at fault? Well wouldnt the objective points of an educational system be to keep the state overrall in tacked? So then why would the US public educational system be at fault if the purpose of the educational system is to provide a working force capable of sustaining the state? Is it that the public educational system in the US unlike others around the world is not filling in the requirements to have its public schools able to fullfill the needs of the state? I am not exactly a big forum person...but I will try to answer coherently. I am most familiar with Marxist socialism, so that is where most of my information is based...just so you know where I'm coming from on that. I've heard of libertarian socialism, and I can't say it really makes sense to me, I'm not sure I understand their....thing. Schools...well, I am against public school in general, so they DO make an easy target for my anger. However, I was giving a simple answer to a simple question...a more complex answer would be that the very concept of public education as we know it is socialist, so the cards sort of stack themselves from there. Quote: "So then why would the US public educational system be at fault if the purpose of the educational system is to provide a working force capable of sustaining the state?" I do not think the educational system is entirely failing to provide a working force capable of sustaining the state. It is certainly doing that. I just don't think that "providing a working force capable of sustaining the state" is a good thing. I think that is a bad thing. I would prefer to see parents able to choose a school (or not) that shares their religions, morals, and values...so they can raise their children how they see fit. The government spends far more per child a year to educate them, than a private school would cost, and private school children have better educations because private schools compete. Because of competition, they have to convince you to send your kids to their school, rather than forcing you too. And yes, you can home school your kids, but that is not a real option for the average American who works 40-60 hours a week. So of course my train of thought comes around to the almighty dollar, and that most people cannot afford to educate their children privately because of taxation. I will never believe that taking away someone's money by force is acceptable. If the government takes my money to educate other people's kids that is theft. If a school founded on theft churns out criminals and druggies amongst the few good citizens it manages to produce...that is simply predicatable. And the good citizens? They've been taught that it is OK for the government to use force, violence, and coercion as long as it is "for your own good". Quote: "Is it that the public educational system in the US unlike others around the world is not filling in the requirements to have its public schools able to fulfill the needs of the state?" Of course, our government fails at everything it does, so even if I did favor government education, I would be outraged at it's inefficiency and unproductivity. I know that was a little ranty...Um, in sum I think public education is socialist, so it naturally produces socialist graduates. I don't believe you and i will agree on very many things, but I am glad someone intelligent responded. ~Anise
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:16 pm
Kira84 Anise_Amberly I'd say the biggest reason for all the socialists in America is government education. The government controls education, so they control people's way of thinking, especially very young people who have not had a chance to see any other perspective. It only makes sense for them to educate the masses in a way that is favorable to them. As far as Gaia, which I assume is not entirely made up of Americans, my guess would be that socialists like mindless activities, and Gaia has the potential to be mindless...it depends on the user. ~The ever-fallible, Anise In my school, we're being taught to hate the government because it isn't doing enough to 'help the people'... Which, in english, means that my teachers think that taxes should be raised dramatically--possibly doubled--so that more people can get free money. The trend seems to be to hate the government while advocating a bigger, more powerful government. I don't get it. I've seen that a lot too, I notice a lot of people who are anti-government actually want a larger government to "help" people. I think they believe they can "fix" the government. That is where I diverge from them....I don't think the government is broken at all. Government is inherently inefficient, unproductive, and oppressive. The original American government had a lot of checks and balances to contain the growth and tyranny of government....unfortunately those checks and balances have not been upheld. So now we have a government gone rampant, and I believe it should be pulled like a weed. But there are many many people who do in fact want to "fix" the government by increasing spending, adding bureaucrats, and imposing more laws, more force, and more oppression on others. ~Anise
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