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ThePeerOrlando2

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:09 am


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AUSTIN, Texas - As documentary filmmakers, Debbie Melnyk and Rick Caine looked up to Michael Moore.

Then they tried to do a documentary of their own about him — and ran into the same sort of resistance Moore himself famously faces in his own films.

The result is "Manufacturing Dissent," which turns the camera on the confrontational documentarian and examines some of his methods. Among their revelations in the movie, which had its world premiere Saturday night at the South by Southwest film festival: That Moore actually did speak with then-General Motors chairman Roger Smith, the evasive subject of his 1989 debut "Roger & Me," but chose to withhold that footage from the final cut.

The husband-and-wife directors spent over two years making the movie, which follows Moore on his college tour promoting 2004's "Fahrenheit 9/11." The film shows Melnyk repeatedly approaching Moore for an interview and being rejected; members of Moore's team also kick the couple out of the audience at one of his speeches, saying they weren't allowed to be shooting there.

At their own premiere Saturday night, the Toronto-based filmmakers expected pro-Moore plants in the audience heckling or trying to otherwise sabotage the screening, but it turned out to be a tame affair.

"It went really well," Melnyk said. "People really liked the film and laughed at the right spots and got the movie and we're really happy about it."

Moore hasn't commented publicly on "Manufacturing Dissent" and Melnyk thinks he never will. He also hasn't responded to several calls and e-mails from The Associated Press.

"There's no point for Michael to respond to the film because then it gives it publicity," she said.

"(President) Bush didn't respond to `Fahrenheit 9/11,' and there's a reason for that," Caine added.

The two were and still are fans of all his movies — including the polarizing "Fahrenheit 9/11," which grossed over $119 million and won the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival — and initially wanted to do a biography on him. They traveled to his childhood home of Davison, Mich., visited his high school and traced his early days in politics and journalism.

"The fact that he made documentaries entertaining was extremely influential and got all kinds of people out to see them," said Melnyk, whose previous films with Caine include 1998's "Junket Whore." "Let's face it, he made documentaries popular and that is great for all documentary filmmakers."

"All of these films — `Super Size Me,' `An Inconvenient Truth' — we've all been riding in his wake," said Caine. "There's a nonfiction film revolution going on and we're all beneficiaries of that. For that point alone, he's worth celebrating."

But after four months of unsuccessfully trying to sit down with Moore for an on-camera interview, they realized they needed to approach the subject from a different angle. They began looking at the process Moore employs in his films, and the deeper they dug, the more they began to question him.

The fact that Moore spoke with Smith, including a lengthy question-and-answer exchange during a May 1987 GM shareholders meeting, first was reported in a Premiere magazine article three years later. Transcripts of the discussion had been leaked to the magazine, and a clip of the meeting appeared in "Manufacturing Dissent." Moore also reportedly interviewed Smith on camera in January 1988 at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York.

Since then, in the years since "Roger & Me" put Moore on the map, those details seem to have been suppressed and forgotten.

"It was shocking, because to me that was the whole premise of `Roger & Me,'" Melnyk said.

She and Caine also had trouble finding people to talk on camera about Moore, partly because potential interview subjects assumed they were creating a right-wing attack piece; as self-proclaimed left-wingers, they weren't.

Despite what they've learned, the directors still appreciate Moore.

"We're a bit disappointed and disillusioned with Michael," Melnyk said, "but we are still very grateful to him for putting documentaries out there in a major way that people can go to a DVD store and they're right up there alongside dramatic features."


HAHAHAHA! VINDICATION! SWEET, SWEET JUSTICE FOR ME! MOORE HAS BEEN SHOWN FOR THE FRAUDULENT FAT ******** HE IS!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:27 am


See, I enjoy Michael Moore. I don't go to his films thinking I'm going to get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I go to them thinking that he's going to be interesting, clever, entertaining, and he's going to make the movie interesting, clever, and entertaining, if biased with his own point of view.

But see, that's what documentaries are-- Personal essays. Movies that have their own philosophies, and their own opinions. You can't say that Moore is fraudulent, because people know that you don't get the whole unbiased truth when you go to his films. Or most documentaries for that manner.

I enjoy Moore because I agree with a lot of his politics, and he's funny, and his targets usually deserve vilification.

That said, I will see this movie, because it seems interesting. I also wanted to see "Michael Moore is a Stupid White man". I think that was the title. heart

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:30 pm


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See, I enjoy Michael Moore. I don't go to his films thinking I'm going to get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I go to them thinking that he's going to be interesting, clever, entertaining, and he's going to make the movie interesting, clever, and entertaining, if biased with his own point of view.

But see, that's what documentaries are-- Personal essays. Movies that have their own philosophies, and their own opinions. You can't say that Moore is fraudulent, because people know that you don't get the whole unbiased truth when you go to his films. Or most documentaries for that manner.

I enjoy Moore because I agree with a lot of his politics, and he's funny, and his targets usually deserve vilification.

That said, I will see this movie, because it seems interesting. I also wanted to see "Michael Moore is a Stupid White man". I think that was the title. heart


...Dude, he's fraudulent because the entire basis of Roger and Me was that he COULDN'T get an interview with Roger. How is that NOT committing fraud when you claim one thing as the truth, and it's not true?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:20 pm


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xd Flint apparently hates him. I've never seen a MM film...I don't want him to get my money. He's got enough.

But Moore's not just biased from what I hear; he tries to actively deceive people with his movies. I mean...if you're right, you don't NEED to cut and paste things in a deceiving order. If you can't get your point across without doing that, you have no business trying to convince people to believe you. Everyone is biased, but not everyone lets that bias lead them to lies and slander.
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....Peer, did Michael Moore run over your cat or something? neutral
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:38 pm


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Michael Moore is the reason some of my friends stopped believing people who hated Bush. They saw F911 and it convinced him that people who opposed Bush didn't have a leg to stand on if that's all Moore could come up with.

Hopefully, he won over as many people as he pushed away.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:16 am


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....Peer, did Michael Moore run over your cat or something? neutral


No, he's just a fat douche bag and I hate him. sweatdrop

He and Hugo Chavez make SANE, RATIONAL detractors to the Bush Administration's actions look like nuts.

Well, them and those people who say that 9/11 was a Zionist and/or interplanetary traveling Alien plot to destroy Christianity. rolleyes
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:28 am


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....Peer, did Michael Moore run over your cat or something? neutral


No, he's just a fat douche bag and I hate him. sweatdrop

He and Hugo Chavez make SANE, RATIONAL detractors to the Bush Administration's actions look like nuts.

Well, them and those people who say that 9/11 was a Zionist and/or interplanetary traveling Alien plot to destroy Christianity. rolleyes
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That's right! I'm not sure whether it was Captain Kirk or Captain Picard doing it, but I AM sure that they got caught in a time bubble caused by a malfunctioning tribble conductor. Sisco was there on the bridge going, I AM THE PROPHET! And Gul Dukat was going, "Fire the weapons...go on, do it! You know you want to," and they both got smacked by a holographic doctor.

People like Michael Moore make me look like I'm detached from reality and cling to conspiracy theories!

In all seriousness, in the same way I like to distance myself from OR, if I didn't like Bush, I'd want to distance myself from Michael Moore. Only OR is a tad bit worse than MM in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:51 am


On this one subject I have to agree with Peer Orlando........Now can we burn his house down, then tar and feather him in the street?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:11 am


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....Peer, did Michael Moore run over your cat or something? neutral


No, he's just a fat douche bag and I hate him. sweatdrop

He and Hugo Chavez make SANE, RATIONAL detractors to the Bush Administration's actions look like nuts.

Well, them and those people who say that 9/11 was a Zionist and/or interplanetary traveling Alien plot to destroy Christianity. rolleyes
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That's right! I'm not sure whether it was Captain Kirk or Captain Picard doing it, but I AM sure that they got caught in a time bubble caused by a malfunctioning tribble conductor. Sisco was there on the bridge going, I AM THE PROPHET! And Gul Dukat was going, "Fire the weapons...go on, do it! You know you want to," and they both got smacked by a holographic doctor.

People like Michael Moore make me look like I'm detached from reality and cling to conspiracy theories!

In all seriousness, in the same way I like to distance myself from OR, if I didn't like Bush, I'd want to distance myself from Michael Moore. Only OR is a tad bit worse than MM in my opinion.
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IT WAS THE MOTHER ******** EMPIRE AND YOU KNOW IT! scream

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ThePeerOrlando2

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:57 pm


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....Peer, did Michael Moore run over your cat or something? neutral


No, he's just a fat douche bag and I hate him. sweatdrop

He and Hugo Chavez make SANE, RATIONAL detractors to the Bush Administration's actions look like nuts.

Well, them and those people who say that 9/11 was a Zionist and/or interplanetary traveling Alien plot to destroy Christianity. rolleyes
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That's right! I'm not sure whether it was Captain Kirk or Captain Picard doing it, but I AM sure that they got caught in a time bubble caused by a malfunctioning tribble conductor. Sisco was there on the bridge going, I AM THE PROPHET! And Gul Dukat was going, "Fire the weapons...go on, do it! You know you want to," and they both got smacked by a holographic doctor.

People like Michael Moore make me look like I'm detached from reality and cling to conspiracy theories!

In all seriousness, in the same way I like to distance myself from OR, if I didn't like Bush, I'd want to distance myself from Michael Moore. Only OR is a tad bit worse than MM in my opinion.
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Who's OR?

Karl: MY NAME IS THEPEERORLANDO(2), THEPEERORLANDO(2)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:20 pm


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Operation Rescue. They drive vans with huge aborted fetii on the sides and harass clinic workers.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:07 pm


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Operation Rescue. They drive vans with huge aborted fetii on the sides and harass clinic workers.
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Oh god, THOSE jackasses? talk2hand I'm surprised the pro-life movement at large hasn't chased them out of the proverbial town.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:27 am


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Operation Rescue. They drive vans with huge aborted fetii on the sides and harass clinic workers.
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Oh god, THOSE jackasses? talk2hand I'm surprised the pro-life movement at large hasn't chased them out of the proverbial town.


Oh, believe me, if I ever have the opportunity I will. They've been pretty quiet around these parts, though....I often drive by both a PP (which apparently doesn't provide abortions, not at that location) and another women's clinic that is known for providing abortions. Haven't seen any protestors (or escorts, or counter-protestors) in a long time.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:32 pm


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Operation Rescue. They drive vans with huge aborted fetii on the sides and harass clinic workers.
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Oh god, THOSE jackasses? talk2hand I'm surprised the pro-life movement at large hasn't chased them out of the proverbial town.


Oh, believe me, if I ever have the opportunity I will. They've been pretty quiet around these parts, though....I often drive by both a PP (which apparently doesn't provide abortions, not at that location) and another women's clinic that is known for providing abortions. Haven't seen any protestors (or escorts, or counter-protestors) in a long time.


Did you know they post directions to the houses of clinic workers and doctors?

I mean, I can understand not liking or even thinking those doctors are murderer's. But to post directions to their house so that they can be assaulted, vandalized, or even murdered is wrong. neutral
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