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Homosexual marriage is ok?
yes
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No
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doesn't really matter to me...
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Total Votes : 22


RedWayfarer

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:24 am


Hey, I'm new to this guild and I'm athiest. I don't understand why homosexual marriage is such a bad thing in the christian religion confused
I'm not homosexual or bi or any of those things, I just support gay marriage. And I know there probabley are a bunch of christians that support it too, but to the ones that have a problem with it: What's the big deal? What did they ever do to you? Why is it so bad to be different like that? To me, marriage is between two people who love each other, and love, to me, is two people who would give their lives for eachother, and would want to be with the other for the rest of their lives. Never has love to me been about gender.

This isn't directed at all christians, just the ones that have problems with homosexual marriage, but if you are christian and support it, mabey you could explain this to me?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:39 am


I have closed this thread for now since it is on a controversial topic and did not recieve prior permission. It may be reopened later if Fushigi gives it the go-ahead.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:30 pm


I'll unlock it and keep it unlocked so long as this doesn't turn into more pro gay marriage bashing or anti gay marriage bashing (we've had problems with this in the past confused ). I think the only thing to discuss really is why some Christians think it is bad, no if it actually is bad or not

To answer your question, some Christians take many verses in the Bible (both from the Old and New Testaments) to mean that God is not in support of homosexuality and that marriage is strictly something for a man and a woman to enjoy. Then there are those who support it who don't see why God would draw a line at homosexual love, if that love is pure, and if both people have Christ at the center of the relationship.

So, I hope that cleared up any confusion.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:09 am


What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.

Deo_Machina


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:21 pm


Deo_Machina
What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.


God loves everyone. He just doesn't like homosexual act not the person.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:39 pm


ryokomayuka
Deo_Machina
What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.


God loves everyone. He just doesn't like homosexual act not the person.


Which book says that? Was it Leviticus?

Deo_Machina


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:34 am


Deo_Machina
ryokomayuka
Deo_Machina
What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.


God loves everyone. He just doesn't like homosexual act not the person.


Which book says that? Was it Leviticus?

Leviticus.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:41 am


ryokomayuka
Deo_Machina
ryokomayuka
Deo_Machina
What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.


God loves everyone. He just doesn't like homosexual act not the person.


Which book says that? Was it Leviticus?

Leviticus.


Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that in the Ye Olde Testament?
Didn't the OT rules become obsolete after Jesus? I think I read something about him saying those old rules don't matter anymore.

Deo_Machina


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:42 pm


Deo_Machina
What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.


1 Cornithians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,


Footnote:
a Or wrongdoers
b The two Greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts

God doesn't like the sin; he has nothing wrong with the person. He loves the person and wants a relationship with that person, but the sin is like a barrier that cuts man off from God. The only way a person can cut down that barrier is through Jesus, who defeated sin and made it possible for man and God to have a relationship with one another.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:46 pm


Deo_Machina
ryokomayuka
Deo_Machina
ryokomayuka
Deo_Machina
What verses in the NT could be interpreted as anti-gay?

As for my opinion, I always thought that if God didn't like gay people, he wouldn't have made them.


God loves everyone. He just doesn't like homosexual act not the person.


Which book says that? Was it Leviticus?

Leviticus.


Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that in the Ye Olde Testament?
Didn't the OT rules become obsolete after Jesus? I think I read something about him saying those old rules don't matter anymore.


Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."


It's not that they don't matter (because He didn't get rid of the old Law), it's just that they are fulfilled in a new way, through Jesus, and we now have to keep the Law by following Jesus, who is the fulfilled Law- the Word made man.

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Deo_Machina

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:47 pm


Well there go the arguments I learned on the ED. gonk
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:29 pm


Sorry. sweatdrop

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omnimodus

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:02 pm


1 Cornithians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,


Nor men? What about homosexual women? Are they free from this prejudice of God?

The "act" of homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, alrighty then. So is the Original Sin of intercourse. Yet God said to his creations in Genesis to 'be fruitful and multiply'.
I don't understand why God likes to contradict himself so much. If intercourse between a man and a woman is forgiveable, why not intercourse between members of the same sex? Sure they won't procreate, but a lot of opposite sex couples don't procreate either. Some people are sterile and can't have children. Others just don't feel kids are right for them. Do they anger God as well? Does God want the world to be overpopulated? Or is it the 'fact' that same sex intercourse is unnatural?
Unnatural my behind.
Homosexual men seem to have no trouble seeing as how their prostates are conveniently and /naturally/ placed. Nor do homosexual women have trouble, as God did give us all tongues. If God hates it so much, he should do away with fingers, tongues, and prostates.
If God hates unnatural sex, he should also do away with S&M. Now there's something even heterosexual couples practice. Intercourse was not meant to incorporate whips and handcuffs and pain. Yet we invented them, didn't we? Heck, we even invented the missionary style of intercourse. That's unnatural too!
surprised
And putting lickable chocolate on your partner.
And performing oral.
Geeze.

Enough of all this unnaturalness! I say we all halt intercourse altogether if it's a sin. We should all learn how to clone ourselves.
Then.
Maybe.
God would be a happy fellow.

[/end ridiculous rant]
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:55 am


omnimodus
1 Cornithians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,


Nor men? What about homosexual women? Are they free from this prejudice of God?

The "act" of homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, alrighty then. So is the Original Sin of intercourse. Yet God said to his creations in Genesis to 'be fruitful and multiply'.
I don't understand why God likes to contradict himself so much. If intercourse between a man and a woman is forgiveable, why not intercourse between members of the same sex? Sure they won't procreate, but a lot of opposite sex couples don't procreate either. Some people are sterile and can't have children. Others just don't feel kids are right for them. Do they anger God as well? Does God want the world to be overpopulated? Or is it the 'fact' that same sex intercourse is unnatural?
Unnatural my behind.
Homosexual men seem to have no trouble seeing as how their prostates are conveniently and /naturally/ placed. Nor do homosexual women have trouble, as God did give us all tongues. If God hates it so much, he should do away with fingers, tongues, and prostates.
If God hates unnatural sex, he should also do away with S&M. Now there's something even heterosexual couples practice. Intercourse was not meant to incorporate whips and handcuffs and pain. Yet we invented them, didn't we? Heck, we even invented the missionary style of intercourse. That's unnatural too!
surprised
And putting lickable chocolate on your partner.
And performing oral.
Geeze.

Enough of all this unnaturalness! I say we all halt intercourse altogether if it's a sin. We should all learn how to clone ourselves.
Then.
Maybe.
God would be a happy fellow.

[/end ridiculous rant]


Men is used in the Bible often as a generic term for all people. It's like when you might say to a group of friends 'hey guys' even when there are girls there too. Too blindingly simple?

Where is that verse about intercourse located? Lust is certainly a sin, but intercourse inside marriage is never talked against in the Bible to my knowledge (If I'm wrong, I want proof.) In fact, read Song of Solomon. There's plenty in there about the beauty and dare I say it, the pleasure, of intercourse within marriage. So I don't see ANY contradiction anywhere.

Rikoujin


omnimodus

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:43 am


Rikoujin
omnimodus
1 Cornithians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,


Nor men? What about homosexual women? Are they free from this prejudice of God?

The "act" of homosexuality is a sin in the Bible, alrighty then. So is the Original Sin of intercourse. Yet God said to his creations in Genesis to 'be fruitful and multiply'.
I don't understand why God likes to contradict himself so much. If intercourse between a man and a woman is forgiveable, why not intercourse between members of the same sex? Sure they won't procreate, but a lot of opposite sex couples don't procreate either. Some people are sterile and can't have children. Others just don't feel kids are right for them. Do they anger God as well? Does God want the world to be overpopulated? Or is it the 'fact' that same sex intercourse is unnatural?
Unnatural my behind.
Homosexual men seem to have no trouble seeing as how their prostates are conveniently and /naturally/ placed. Nor do homosexual women have trouble, as God did give us all tongues. If God hates it so much, he should do away with fingers, tongues, and prostates.
If God hates unnatural sex, he should also do away with S&M. Now there's something even heterosexual couples practice. Intercourse was not meant to incorporate whips and handcuffs and pain. Yet we invented them, didn't we? Heck, we even invented the missionary style of intercourse. That's unnatural too!
surprised
And putting lickable chocolate on your partner.
And performing oral.
Geeze.

Enough of all this unnaturalness! I say we all halt intercourse altogether if it's a sin. We should all learn how to clone ourselves.
Then.
Maybe.
God would be a happy fellow.

[/end ridiculous rant]


Men is used in the Bible often as a generic term for all people. It's like when you might say to a group of friends 'hey guys' even when there are girls there too. Too blindingly simple?

Where is that verse about intercourse located? Lust is certainly a sin, but intercourse inside marriage is never talked against in the Bible to my knowledge (If I'm wrong, I want proof.) In fact, read Song of Solomon. There's plenty in there about the beauty and dare I say it, the pleasure, of intercourse within marriage. So I don't see ANY contradiction anywhere.


Intercourse without lust is an impossibility. You need lust to become aroused and perform sexually.
Therein lies the contradiction.
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