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Strideo
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:46 am


The topic: Should we treat drug use as a medical problem or as a criminal problem?

Well, yet another large study has come to the conclusion that criminalizing drug abuse is not the best way to fight drug addiction and crime. A recent study on British drug policies has come to a similar conclusion as an older Rand Corporation study did on U.S. drug policies and essentially the results show that the most effective and efficient way to combat drug abuse is through education and treatment rather than treating drug abusers as criminals and incarcerating them.

First off, when illegal drugs are no longer illegal then the criminal enterprises that thrive off of the drug trade shrivel up and die. The risk associated with the selling and trafficking of drugs disappears and the price of the drugs falls dramatically. This may seem like a bad thing but in fact it removes the criminal element and cuts violence by orders of magnitude. Desperate drug addicts no longer have to resort to crime to pay for drugs that they couldn't afford when the criminal element and risk involved drove the prices sky high.

Treating drug abusers and educating the public is also much much cheaper than seeking out criminals and jailing drug abusers. If we were to drop the pursuit of punishing drug abusers and treating them as criminals we would save enormous amounts of money. Most people may feel that drug abuse is morally objectionable but that doesn't mean punishment is the best way or the easiest way to get what we want.

Best of all if we drop the criminalization of drug abuse we can restore a great measure of freedom to the citizenry. Right now "the war on drugs" is the government's biggest excuse to invade the average citizen's privacy. Some asset forfeiture laws punish citizens based on mere suspicion and forces those involved to sue the government in order to regain their rightful assets and property. By decriminalizing illegal drugs we could eliminate a large portion of government interference in people's lives by rendering it unnecessary.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:53 am


And what the government doesn't realize is, that if they were to put a tax similar to a cigarette tax on the drugs, they would make arseloads of casshhhh. $_$

i think it should be treated as medical. Kinda like House. He abuses the Vicadin, but only because his leg hurts like f-ckin' hell. In pain, he can't function as well and save lives...but with it, he is able to save people, and seeing Gregory House popping pills every five minutes has been on the show so long it's an almost invisible action...and by cutting off the drug addict's drugs abruptly like that causes more harm than good, as we also saw on House in the latest episode.

Eleventyone


Strideo
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:57 am


Eleventyone
And what the government doesn't realize is, that if they were to put a tax similar to a cigarette tax on the drugs, they would make arseloads of casshhhh. $_$

i think it should be treated as medical. Kinda like House. He abuses the Vicadin, but only because his leg hurts like f-ckin' hell. In pain, he can't function as well and save lives...but with it, he is able to save people, and seeing Gregory House popping pills every five minutes has been on the show so long it's an almost invisible action...and by cutting off the drug addict's drugs abruptly like that causes more harm than good, as we also saw on House in the latest episode.
Good point.

There is a wheel chair bound man in Florida who has been sentenced for 20 years in jail for illegally obtaining and using pain medicine. This guy was really in pain and he just wanted to function normally. He never violated the rights of another citizen in any way but now he is in jail. How is that justice?

So why did this guy get a 20 year sentence? It was because of some "zero tolerance" law on illegal drug abuse or something.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:01 am


Strideo
Eleventyone
And what the government doesn't realize is, that if they were to put a tax similar to a cigarette tax on the drugs, they would make arseloads of casshhhh. $_$

i think it should be treated as medical. Kinda like House. He abuses the Vicadin, but only because his leg hurts like f-ckin' hell. In pain, he can't function as well and save lives...but with it, he is able to save people, and seeing Gregory House popping pills every five minutes has been on the show so long it's an almost invisible action...and by cutting off the drug addict's drugs abruptly like that causes more harm than good, as we also saw on House in the latest episode.
Good point.

There is a wheel chair bound man in Florida who has been sentenced for 20 years in jail for illegally obtaining and using pain medicine. This guy was really in pain and he just wanted to function normally. He never violated the rights of another citizen in any way but now he is in jail. How is that justice?

That's just plain stupidity! Amsterdam is living proof of how legalizing drugs helps cut back on use. If you outlaw it, people will find ways to get it. If you legalize it and just regulate it with taxes, then people will cut down on their use and it'll become like cigarettes and liquor. Only the really, REALLY dangerous ones like meth, cocaine and ecstasy should remain illegal.

Eleventyone


Strideo
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:19 pm


I can understand people's moral objections and everything but I don't think it's the government's job to protect people from their own actions or to impose morality on the populous.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:07 am


My personal feelings on this are that drug addiction is a disease, the same as alcoholism. Drug use is a crime, but not the addiction.

Verienkeli

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Strideo
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:46 am


Verienkeli
My personal feelings on this are that drug addiction is a disease, the same as alcoholism. Drug use is a crime, but not the addiction.
Should drug users be treated as criminals?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:57 am


Ugh...I really don't know. I'll try and throw out my User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. though.

I don't think it's absolutely necessary to treat most drug users as criminals. It's true that most drug users (obviously) use illegal drugs, but I still think it'd be more beneficial, both to society and to the drug user, to help them overcome their addiction instead of throwing them in the slammer. If lots of money is going to be spent either way ($$ for keeping them in prison or for treating their addiction), they might as well try and clean the person instead of punishing them, even if choosing to abuse the drug was their choice in the first place. I have a sister who has a long history of drug problems, and I think it's safe to say that almost every person who's ever been addicted to drugs wishes they hadn't chosen to use them in the first place.
However...
When you talk about educating the public...do you mean generally, like we do in school? Because that obviously hasn't done much good in the past or present, and probably won't in the future. I mean, in school we're taught about how drugs are bad and cause death, yada yada, and yet look at all the people who are still affected by drugs. What we learn in school about drug abuse doesn't seem (to me) to do much good. As far as educating the public goes, I think it'd be great if we could take an extra step or two and make public awareness more effective and to go beyond learning it at school. But I also think a major part of the problem is that drugs make money, and money seems to be this country's top priority. Like my civics teacher said, for America, "Money rules and everything else drools," much as I wish it weren't so.

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Merrin Spicer

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:32 pm


::nods:: Drug educaton sounds like a wiser choice than actually imprisoning these drug abusers. Without their drugs, they will probably act even less civil than they do when they are on drugs. Perhaps these addicts should work on actually getting off of that addiction. Besides, I believe that they should legalize more drugs because if they are legalized, people will feel less inclined to take them. It sounds crazy, but we have a psychological desire to be rebellious against the law.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:10 am


I think it would be better if more drugs were legalized. The government could then tax these drugs and raise more money, instead of spending it on this "war against drugs". :/

And legalizing drugs would definitely lower crime rates. Many drug addicts can't get jobs because they have to get drug screenings. So, instead of being able to work an honest job like everybody else, a drug addict will resort to stealing in order to pay for a fix. I have a half-sister stuck in this situation, it's really sad thing to see.

But if certain drugs were legalized, maybe it would be easier for these people to get jobs, even if they were horrible jobs, and then they probably wouldn't have to resort to stealing as often as they do.

Though our number one priority should be stopping these addictions.

And for drug education, if you're talking about doing that in school, that doesn't work at all. An example is the D.A.R.E. program. I had to go through that program in sixth grade, and even then I thought it was complete bullshit. All that goes on in that is some police comes into the class and says, "Drugs are bad kids, don't do 'em", and then the session is over.
Same for high school health classes.

Just like with Prohibition, a lot of people take drugs because it's risky and rebellious. If we legalized it, I'm sure the number of drug abusers would go down.

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Merrin Spicer

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:11 pm


Yeah... I meant like a different kind of drug Education program. D.A.R.E. and those other cheesy ones are stupid. They should actually explain why they are supposedly bad and then look at what's around them, you know? And yes, drugs should not be necessary illegal. Their being illegal is half of the reason that people are trying them out. Hell, that is sometimes why I try them out. Just to see if it will ******** me up or not.
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:20 am


Perhaps instead of worrying about drug users, givernments should worry about drug pushers. If someone takes a drug it is a specifically medicinal problem until that drug causes them to act against someone or something else.

If you had the law say that drug use is a person's own concern (Read: legal) but the person is still fully responsible for any actions taken under the influence of that drug (which is basically the exact opposite of American drug laws) the system would be more concerned about rehabilitation rather than "stopping drugs on the street"

Taking drugs out of the hands of the users doesn't stop anything - if those who create or sell drugs are still out there then they will simply market to the same people again or to new people. Like a weed you need to attack it at it's root, rather than being so concerned about pruning the leaves of the users. It's thier bodies...


YourAzureGoddess


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chessiejo

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:47 am


legalize.

that takes the money incentive out of the market and makes a huge dent in criminal activity.

it reduces prison populations to make room for truly violent offenders.

and people like Ken Lay!

then if you protest that it encourages immoral behavior, just educate; advertize, rehab when necessary...we have not put a fraction of the energy into such efforts as we have into enriching private prisons (who contribute heavily to campaign funds for both parties, whose politicians continue to support privatized jails and mandatory drug sentences, hmmm... conflict of interest, much?)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:44 pm


Drugs are bad. I suppose its not the drugs, just what you do when you are ON drugs. People who supply drugs are bad because they take advantage of the addicts' NEED for drugs. Which is mean. They should have compulsory drug help sessions for anyone caught with drugs, but no harsh punishments - those should go to the suppliers of the drugs and dealers.

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Calypsophia

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:58 pm


any kind of 'addiction' is a psychological problem that can lead to a medical problem. the selling of illegal drugs (or even legal drugs sold illegally -ie: pharmaceuticals) is a criminal problem.
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