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SoonLovesEnough

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:44 pm


Fact: My family and I are hooked on this show called "Amazing Race". If you haven't heard of it, it's where pairs go around the world racing to be in the top 3 to win 1 million dollars. Well, some of the couples have/are gay. This one guy of one of the gay couples keeps making remarks about God. I don't know if he's Christian, but it unnerves me everytime the gay guy mentions God in some way (not really disrespectful though...).

Discussion: My parents and I were discussing the possiblity of him being a homosexual Christian. My parents were saying it's because there's this new thing of Christianity becoming more liberal and allowing homosexuallity because Jesus does not specifically say, the red ink does not specifically say.

My argument: "In the beginning the Word was with God... The Word is God."* Also in the Bible are 2 verses (different books... I think) but "one man and one woman"* and "men did lustful, shameful acts with each other and women too"*. Since the Word is JESUS, therefore JESUS DOES IN FACT SAY THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG!

*Paraphrase of what I've read before. Not actual quote!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:20 am


I really, really hate it when people say gay people can't be Christian. It's just another sin, like every other sin. All sin is equal is God's eyes. Plus, a relationship with God is personal. It's between you and God and no one else. If someone else is telling you how your relationship should work they are increadibly wrong.

So regardless of if it is or isn't a sin, we don't have any right to condem them. God forgives them and loves them the same, and we're just as sinful as them. Actually, it's kinda cool because we defiently have a gay guy in my youth group/Bible study.

In general, I don't think Christianity is becoming to liberal but maybe that's because I'm liberal rolleyes I think it's becoming more accepting, but that's good. It's like we're finally getting it. What's that verse? "And this is what you have been told from the beginning, that you should love one another." Something to that effect.

But God doesn't call us to condem one another but to love eachother biggrin That's how I see it anyway.

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kisa-chan9

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:41 am


true that God wants us to love each other, and that it's not our place to condemn of judge other people, but homosexuality is bad and God doesn't want that in his people. I struggled for some time with that, and I found that I was being a hypocrite by thinking and acting this way and then turning to God about it.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved: niether the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulturerers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

This is what the Word of God says. To say that you are a Christian and also be a homosexual is not true. They are not a true Christian, and they will pay dearly for it if they don't wake up and really go to God. But they need to make the decision themselves; unless God wants us to, we can't be the influence of their actions.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:11 pm


So if you can't be gay and a Christian, neither can you be a liar and a Christian, or a theif and a Christian, or someone who cheats on math tests or says means things to their siblings. These are all sinful, yet how is it that it's okay for people to do these things and still call themselves Christians, yet when someone is gay and wants to live for Christ that's bad? Jesus doesn't turn anyone away. He doesn't say, "go fix yourself first and then we'll talk." No. He says, "Come to me as you are. I love you and want you with all your scars and all your baggage and all your sin."

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kisa-chan9

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:10 am


Fushigi na Butterfly
So if you can't be gay and a Christian, neither can you be a liar and a Christian, or a theif and a Christian, or someone who cheats on math tests or says means things to their siblings. These are all sinful, yet how is it that it's okay for people to do these things and still call themselves Christians, yet when someone is gay and wants to live for Christ that's bad? Jesus doesn't turn anyone away. He doesn't say, "go fix yourself first and then we'll talk." No. He sayd, "Come to me as you are. I love you and want you with all your scars and all your baggage and all your sin."

Yes, but to continue doing those sinful acts after they'd asked Christ into their life is wrong.The main thing about becoming a Christian is that you're sick of the life you've led, and you want or rather need God to help you out. You're turning over a new leaf; you're becoming a new person through God. It's very simular to changing from a slimy caterpillar(sp?) to a lovely butterfly; you need to change completely to be a new person in Christ. That means dropping all the sinul acts that have become habit, and going staight to God and His Word. God loves you, but He wants you to return His love through your actions that reflect the personality and teachings of His Son Jesus. That is what is supposed to be happening.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:28 pm


Funny thing, we now know that homosexuality is something you are born with.

So either it's okay, (I can't see why it wouldn't be) or God wants to stop people from entering heaven. Because you can't change something like that.

(Who knows, God must have seen how many people there were going to be, so he put in some gay people so there would be less children. Would not be the first time he changed his rules)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:31 pm


kisa-chan9
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So if you can't be gay and a Christian, neither can you be a liar and a Christian, or a theif and a Christian, or someone who cheats on math tests or says means things to their siblings. These are all sinful, yet how is it that it's okay for people to do these things and still call themselves Christians, yet when someone is gay and wants to live for Christ that's bad? Jesus doesn't turn anyone away. He doesn't say, "go fix yourself first and then we'll talk." No. He sayd, "Come to me as you are. I love you and want you with all your scars and all your baggage and all your sin."

Yes, but to continue doing those sinful acts after they'd asked Christ into their life is wrong.The main thing about becoming a Christian is that you're sick of the life you've led, and you want or rather need God to help you out. You're turning over a new leaf; you're becoming a new person through God. It's very simular to changing from a slimy caterpillar(sp?) to a lovely butterfly; you need to change completely to be a new person in Christ. That means dropping all the sinul acts that have become habit, and going staight to God and His Word. God loves you, but He wants you to return His love through your actions that reflect the personality and teachings of His Son Jesus. That is what is supposed to be happening.


This is true, but if you are Christian and slip up are you automatically condemned? Some people are seriously struggling with it, and would love to come to God, but are afraid to because they don't want to be condemned. The message we need to be spreading is not, "homosexuality is bad" but "God loves and wants you as you are, and anything He wants fixed He will do Himself."
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:14 pm


Go read the play "Southern Baptist Sissies."

It has an amazing spin on the gay Christina bit. You can really see how hard some gay people struggle with their faith.

That's all I have to say.

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ioioouiouiouio

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:39 pm


Deo_Machina
Funny thing, we now know that homosexuality is something you are born with.

So either it's okay, (I can't see why it wouldn't be) or God wants to stop people from entering heaven. Because you can't change something like that.

(Who knows, God must have seen how many people there were going to be, so he put in some gay people so there would be less children. Would not be the first time he changed his rules)

We also know that sociopathy is something you are born with, doesn't make murder or lying okay. It just means that the homosexuals have something that they need to struggle that some others don't.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:24 pm


Is Christianity becoming too tolerant?

No. This thread and the replies in it are over-whelming proof that Chrisitanity is still far from tolerant enough.

I'm not going to get into a debate on whether or not homosexuality is a sin. I believe that it is not, and I can use the Bible to back myself up, however that is not the purpose of this thread.

I am bisexual. I was born bisexual, I have been all my life, and there is nothing I could or would do to change it.
I am also Christian. I love God with all of my heart and I am 100% devoted to him.
These two things do not interfere with each other in the slightest.

I know many 'liberal' Christians who accept this, but I know far more Christians who would tell me that I am 'perverted' and have no right to worship God.
I know of a church in my town that kicked my friend out of the building because her mother was a lesbian.

It doesn't matter whether you believe homosexuality to be a sin, or not. However, it is not at all okay to deny gays or their allies the right to worship the Lord. Right now, many Christians are. And because of that, yes, I believe Christianity needs to become more tolerant/liberal.

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Lethkhar

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 6:06 pm


I applaud liberal Christians. Way to go! It's so nice of you to be tolerant! biggrin
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:07 pm


Jesus was a liberal.

Think about it: Christ completely antagonized the government because be believed it was wrong and warlike. He loved and loves everyone, even if they are the most evil, despicable thing on the planet. He gave everything he could to the poor and sick. He did not own property. He traveled on foot. He hated arrogance. He saw no value in money. He GAVE HIS LIFE to save AN UNDESERVING RACE.

If the Democrats in our society are compared to this, they look like reactionaries. If Christianity becomes 'liberal,' it'll just be another label, like 'heretic' or 'misfit.' Christians have been known as worse things through the years than 'liberal,' so I don't care what the label is. The most important thing is the imitation of Christ and the obedience to God: that is what unifies Christians and what will keep the body of Christ on earth alive.

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Lethkhar

PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 11:13 pm


Deo_Machina
Funny thing, we now know that homosexuality is something you are born with.

Really? I have never heard of any conclusive studies on the subject.

Could you provide me with some sources? I mean, I trust you, I just like to have these things at my disposal and for my own knowledge.
PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:53 pm


homosexuality is a sin, just like lying, stealing, or being unloving. christians can struggle with homosexuality the same way they can struggle with pride, or any other sin. now, as a christian though, they should be growing in christ, and sinning less and less. you can be a christian and be a homosexual the same way you can be a christian and be a liar, but as a believer, you should really be working with god to stop your sin, whatever it may be.

aryndune


Lethkhar

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:13 am


aryndune
homosexuality is a sin, just like lying, stealing, or being unloving. christians can struggle with homosexuality the same way they can struggle with pride, or any other sin. now, as a christian though, they should be growing in christ, and sinning less and less. you can be a christian and be a homosexual the same way you can be a christian and be a liar, but as a believer, you should really be working with god to stop your sin, whatever it may be.

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