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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:20 am
Go to page 4 for my latest topic! I was actually surprised to see that there was no thread on Satanism so I thought I would make a thread about it. Now, I am an Atheistic/LaVeyan Satanist. I don't worship the devil as a god and I don't believe in god either. I believe I am my own god and that I am in charge of my life. I also believe that the 7 sins are not sins at all. I believe in living life to the fullest so partaking in the 7 sins can help. Now like any good religion, there are flaws (and I am basing this off of what I have learned over time). People who do believe in god (Christians, Muslims etc...) believe that the 7 sins are in fact deadly and ultimatley bad for the body. Take lust for example. I believe that lust keeps us reproducing and yes can make us happy. However, a Christian for example, may say that lust leads to disloyalty and if push comes to shove, an STD. Which can be true, it may cause the person to cheat on his or her partner. Well, my point of view is that some people do have a moral concsiuos (sp?). Some people know the difference between right and wrong. I ultimatley believe that it's in the person's head. If the person knows what he/she wants, then that person will go out and accomplish it. If the person truly loves his/her partner then neither of them will cheat. Some religious believers, however, believe that indulging in life is bad because some one will usually get hurt in the process. Take greed for example. I think greed is just when you want something more that you already have so envy will push you to get more of it. Well, others think that being selfish is wrong and hurtfull to others and that you should just have enough to live comfortably. My opinion is, working hard to abtain more of something is very different than being selfish. There are many things that I want that I don't really need but that doesn't make me selfish, I still care about others and I love to help out. Anyways, I want to leave a lot of open room on discussion so I was just wondering, what are your point of veiws on all this. What do you think about the 7 deadly sins. What is your opinion on what I have written (there is still a lot I want to write but I want to see some responses first)
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:20 pm
I'd say the "seven deadly sins" are not sins at all, but they're also not things to live by. They're just something we humans do, like walking. Yes, they can lead to consequences and yes, they can lead to gratification, but as long as they do both, you cannot say that they are good or evil.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:16 pm
Crazy Bananna I'd say the "seven deadly sins" are not sins at all, but they're also not things to live by. They're just something we humans do, like walking. Yes, they can lead to consequences and yes, they can lead to gratification, but as long as they do both, you cannot say that they are good or evil. well said, I couln't agree more.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:44 pm
I respect LaVeyan principals. I have the Satanic Bible sitting on my shelf and refer to it from time to time, making arguments both in favour and against Satanism. I briefly considered taking LaVey's Satanism as my own before I studdied the political dissolusion that the "official" CoS is in. And yes, I do understand that one need not join an organization to worship. (LaVey was very adamantly against organised religion... despite the fact that the current Church of Satan claims you have to be a paying member to officially call yourself part of their group.) In the end, while holding onto many Humanistic concepts set forth or reitarated by LaVey, I settled on a different, what I feel as "more fullfiling" faith.
Now... my view on the seven "deadly" sins is basically that they are a nessecity of a happy life, but should be taken in moderation. Eatting too much will end in a heart attack... Being lazy will amount to poor health... Too much pride results in perjudice and biggotry... And so forth.
But I also believe that the seven heavenly virtues can be viewed the same way. For those who are unfamiliar, they are:
Prudence, or discretion
Temperance, or self-restraint
Justice, or fairness
Fortitude, or endurance
Charity, or benevolence
Hope, or desire and expectation
Faith, which can be seen as belief or loyalty
The same line of thought can be applied to these... Too much faith results in blindly following... Too much Prudence results in cowardice... Too much justice results in dwelling over trivial details... Too much charity leaves you broke. Etc.
But taking the middle road on both the sins and the virtues is a nessecity of "living to the fullest."
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:01 am
Don't get me wrong, I don't live by the 7 sins, I just believe that they are helpful in the sense of ultimately feeling better about yourself and who you are. If you have moral principles and know between right and wrong then you will over all be just fine, that's what I think at least.
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:29 pm
[Beautiful Oblivion] If the person knows what he/she wants, then that person will go out and accomplish it. If the person truly loves his/her partner then neither of them will cheat. Perhaps ethical and moral guidelines are set up because much of the time, we DON'T know what we "truly" want. We might need some sort of guideline in that instance to make sure that we don't royally screw up our own lives, or the lives of others around us, including the environment. It might not be that indulgence itself is bad, but I question if most people are really that sure of what they want. Sometimes what we think we want isn't really what we want. From there arises a tendancy to indulge in substitutes that aren't as good as the real thing. Or we might think that one thing will take us to what we want, but it really doesn't. Ack, gets complicated doesn't it? Gotta love psychology.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:15 pm
But... but... I simply can't accept that (not that I must, no one is making me). Thou Shalt Not Kill? How can killing someone help the murderer to appreciate life? And your argument for not committing adultry... only those who love someone with all their heart (which is so amazingly rare these days) could possibly be assured not to commit adultry. Lust is something put in us to survive. While engaging in lust is not, by my beleif, a holy offence, we cannot simply throw it aside to the wind as an excuse for someone running off and banging someone else! There MUST be consequences for that sort of thing. And normally there are. Even if the sins aren't from a God, even if this God does not exist (I personally do beleive it does, but not predominantly, I worship others), then the sins are STILL VITAL GUIDELINES by which one ought to live if they want a good life. Not strictly or "religiously" no, but indulging in them... I cannot see how indulging in any helps.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:47 am
wolfsbanemoon But... but... I simply can't accept that (not that I must, no one is making me). Thou Shalt Not Kill? How can killing someone help the murderer to appreciate life? And your argument for not committing adultry... only those who love someone with all their heart (which is so amazingly rare these days) could possibly be assured not to commit adultry. Lust is something put in us to survive. While engaging in lust is not, by my beleif, a holy offence, we cannot simply throw it aside to the wind as an excuse for someone running off and banging someone else! There MUST be consequences for that sort of thing. And normally there are. Even if the sins aren't from a God, even if this God does not exist (I personally do beleive it does, but not predominantly, I worship others), then the sins are STILL VITAL GUIDELINES by which one ought to live if they want a good life. Not strictly or "religiously" no, but indulging in them... I cannot see how indulging in any helps. the 7 sins dude.....not the ten commandments confused and yes, we all know that murder and adultry are bad and I believe that when people commit those crimes, they lose the right to live. Besides, murder is against the law and if you commit murder and get caught, you go to jail which takes away your freedom to indulge in life and to enjoy it and to move forward...a satanic no-no. If you commit murder and don't get caught, then you will have to lay low for a while which also takes a away your freedom of advancing in life. Same thing with any crime you commit. Sorry if I confused anyone sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:43 pm
I'm slightly confused. What exactly is Satanism?
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:33 am
mule235 I'm slightly confused. What exactly is Satanism? Satanism, per refered to in this thread, signifies an actual religious practice that includes organizations such as the Church of Satan. In other words, we're not talking about the by and large imaginary Satanists that go hold black masses at night to sacrifice babies. Those don't actually exist.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:56 am
mule235 I'm slightly confused. What exactly is Satanism? Satanism, as I understand it, is a religion of the body. I don't believe in Satan as a diety but I do believe in what he symbolises and to me he represents man's natural carnal instinct. Satanist do not sacrifice unbaptised babies or animals and do not murder and do not do wierd things to virgins. Also, Satanic philosophy is about common sence. It can also be used as a tool to raise self esteem and boost confidence because Satanism makes the Satanist his/her own god. We believe in our selves. (It at least makes me feel better about myself)
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:02 pm
On the seven sins, it is immpossible to follow all of them. We all be dead right now if our lives depended on following them. I also agree they can help you get foward in life, to a point.
I feel sorry for you satanists. I mean, I hope you keep it a secret from the local church. I know some that hear the word satan inside the church and the church service stops. I can't imagine what they would do to you guys.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:25 pm
[Beautiful Oblivion] mule235 I'm slightly confused. What exactly is Satanism? Satanism, as I understand it, is a religion of the body. I don't believe in Satan as a diety but I do believe in what he symbolises and to me he represents man's natural carnal instinct. Satanist do not sacrifice unbaptised babies or animals and do not murder and do not do wierd things to virgins. Also, Satanic philosophy is about common sence. It can also be used as a tool to raise self esteem and boost confidence because Satanism makes the Satanist his/her own god. We believe in our selves. (It at least makes me feel better about myself)
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:33 pm
mule235 You are your own god? I think I missed something along the way... In essence, under this Satanic philosophy, there is none other than yourself whom ought to be worshipped. That is, you place no deity, no god, nothing in front of your own wants and desires.
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:29 pm
chaoticpuppet mule235 You are your own god? I think I missed something along the way... In essence, under this Satanic philosophy, there is none other than yourself whom ought to be worshipped. That is, you place no deity, no god, nothing in front of your own wants and desires. There's actually several religions that believe that. (Though not any of the mainstream religions, mind you...)
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