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Deo_Machina

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:17 am


Well, I'm an athiest. Have been since I was eleven.
I had always thought that God would forgive my sins no matter what I did.
But then I heard something new..there is an unforgivable sin.

Apparently blaspheming against the holy spirit is the one thing that cannot be taken back.

I might have already done this..I'm not sure yet. First I need to know what counts as blaspheming.

Is it simply not believing? Or do I have to actively deny his existance? Or does cursing God count?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:36 am


It's never to late for anyone and it not to late for you.

I'm not completely sure what blasheming but I do know that it not being a nonbelieve.

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Allythea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:46 am


If you are worried about committing the unforgiveable sin, then you most likely have not done it.

Mark 3:28-30
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I really think you have to know what you are doing when you commit this sin. The Pharisees in Jesus' day knew the scriptures more than anyone.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:01 pm


Allythea
If you are worried about committing the unforgiveable sin, then you most likely have not done it.

Mark 3:28-30
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I really think you have to know what you are doing when you commit this sin. The Pharisees in Jesus' day knew the scriptures more than anyone.


Aw crap, I think I might have done something like that once.
Ah well, I hope I'm right in not believing in God then.

Deo_Machina


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:49 pm


Blasphemy is attributing a work of God to Satan.

KJV
Mat 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man and then he will spoil his house.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:11 pm


The "unforgivable sin" would be denying Christ, but I'm not sure that's necissarily true. The thing is God is big enoug and awesome enough and powerful enough to overcome anything.

There's the parable of the two sons, which long story short, one son is loyal to his father and stays and the other squanders his father's money. He comes back expecting to be treated lower than servants and his father welcomes him warmly and throws a party. When the loyal son asks why his father is treating the irresponsible son so well while he's been loyal the whole time, his father tells him that he was there but his other son was lost and now he has returned and that's to be celebrated!

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ioioouiouiouio

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:49 pm


You have to acknowledge G-d's existence before you blaspheme him, then, I would imagine that it would be denying G-d's holyness, or His rule or something. We're not entirely sure what it is, though I personally believe that it is something like what The Satan did, with full knowledge of the Glory of G-d, trying to fight it and cast G-d away.

or something like htat.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:31 pm


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You have to acknowledge G-d's existence before you blaspheme him, then, I would imagine that it would be denying G-d's holyness, or His rule or something. We're not entirely sure what it is, though I personally believe that it is something like what The Satan did, with full knowledge of the Glory of G-d, trying to fight it and cast G-d away.

or something like htat.


Just out of interest, why do you omit the "o" in God?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:36 pm


As I understand it, it's a more literal translation from the Hebrew YHWH, which also has no vowels, because to pronounce the full name of God would be disrespectful.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:39 am


Fushigi na Butterfly
As I understand it, it's a more literal translation from the Hebrew YHWH, which also has no vowels, because to pronounce the full name of God would be disrespectful.


I would have thought that to avoid his name would be disrespectful..but whatever works.

Deo_Machina


ioioouiouiouio

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:03 am


Deo_Machina
Just out of interest, why do you omit the "o" in God?

It's partially what Fushigi said, and also that I wouldn't want to put G-d's name one something so easily gotten rid of.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:36 pm


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Deo_Machina
Just out of interest, why do you omit the "o" in God?

It's partially what Fushigi said, and also that I wouldn't want to put G-d's name one something so easily gotten rid of.


Omitting the "o" in God's title is an old Jewish practice of showing respect for the name of God. "God" is not a name, like Fred, Sharon, or Mike. God's name is unpronouncable, and the nearest thing the ancient Hebrews could discern was "YHWH", sometimes called Yaweh or in later versions, Yehova or even Jehova. "God" is simply what men have called the Creator, and God himself accepts this because he tells the patriarchs, "I am the Lord Thy God." Ancient men and women knew what a god was, and so they understood this.

However, God himself, when asked his name, says "I AM." and Moses was to tell the Pharaoh, "Tell him that I AM sent you." And Jesus said, "Before the beginning of the world, I AM." And "I AM" means past, present and future all at once..

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Wind-Whisper

PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:50 pm


Deo_Machina
Allythea
If you are worried about committing the unforgiveable sin, then you most likely have not done it.

Mark 3:28-30
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I really think you have to know what you are doing when you commit this sin. The Pharisees in Jesus' day knew the scriptures more than anyone.


Aw crap, I think I might have done something like that once.
Ah well, I hope I'm right in not believing in God then.



Thnere's a statement in the Bible that says, "The fool says in his heart that there is no God". Yet many people go through times in their lives when they doubt or deny God, and Jesus said that all who come to God with a humble heart will in no wise be cast out. That though our sins be red with blood, his blood will wash them whiter than snow. He will never force you to come to him, but he will always leave the door open. The meaning of the unforgivable sin statement has several interpretations, but Deo Machina is right in saying that if you are at all concerned about it, then it is unlikely you have committed such a sin.

The fact that you say "I hope I'm right in not believing in God" shows me that you are actually very concerned underneath. We live in a world that tries to discourage a belief in God, and Christianity is under persecution again. Not for the first time, not for the last. Ask yourself why do so many people fear a religion that teaches love and forgiveness for every human being who asks for it. The answer is simple. Truth frightens people, and they don't want the Christian message to be true. That would force them to look inside themselves, and they don't like what they see. But Jesus will make you clean again, and all sins. large or small, will be forgiven forever.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:12 pm


Wind-Whisper
Deo_Machina
Allythea
If you are worried about committing the unforgiveable sin, then you most likely have not done it.

Mark 3:28-30
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I really think you have to know what you are doing when you commit this sin. The Pharisees in Jesus' day knew the scriptures more than anyone.


Aw crap, I think I might have done something like that once.
Ah well, I hope I'm right in not believing in God then.



The fact that you say "I hope I'm right in not believing in God" shows me that you are actually very concerned underneath. We live in a world that tries to discourage a belief in God, and Christianity is under persecution again. Not for the first time, not for the last. Ask yourself why do so many people fear a religion that teaches love and forgiveness for every human being who asks for it. The answer is simple. Truth frightens people, and they don't want the Christian message to be true. That would force them to look inside themselves, and they don't like what they see. But Jesus will make you clean again, and all sins. large or small, will be forgiven forever.


Well actually there was nothing else I could say. "I'm glad I'm totally right in knowing there is no god" sounds arrogant, and I can't prove I am right.

You live in a world that discourages belief? The two biggest faiths are Christianity then Islam. Together they take up more than half of the population.

Also for the most part, people don't like the religion because of what others have done in it's name. If it was because truth scares people, it would have never taken off.

Deo_Machina


Wind-Whisper

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:15 am


Deo_Machina
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Deo_Machina
Allythea
If you are worried about committing the unforgiveable sin, then you most likely have not done it.

Mark 3:28-30
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."

I really think you have to know what you are doing when you commit this sin. The Pharisees in Jesus' day knew the scriptures more than anyone.


Aw crap, I think I might have done something like that once.
Ah well, I hope I'm right in not believing in God then.



The fact that you say "I hope I'm right in not believing in God" shows me that you are actually very concerned underneath. We live in a world that tries to discourage a belief in God, and Christianity is under persecution again. Not for the first time, not for the last. Ask yourself why do so many people fear a religion that teaches love and forgiveness for every human being who asks for it. The answer is simple. Truth frightens people, and they don't want the Christian message to be true. That would force them to look inside themselves, and they don't like what they see. But Jesus will make you clean again, and all sins. large or small, will be forgiven forever.


Well actually there was nothing else I could say. "I'm glad I'm totally right in knowing there is no god" sounds arrogant, and I can't prove I am right.

You live in a world that discourages belief? The two biggest faiths are Christianity then Islam. Together they take up more than half of the population.

Also for the most part, people don't like the religion because of what others have done in it's name. If it was because truth scares people, it would have never taken off.


No, you can't prove there is no God, and if you weren't searching in your heart of hearts, you would never have come to a Christian site.

Yes, there are people out there who are genuinely afraid that there might be a God and only one real way to reach him. Many people find that disturbing. Please note the hypocracy in our world where people are scared to death of offending Moslems, who riot, threaten, and kill if you criticize their religion in any way - and yet, because Christians won't kill you, they are fair game. Every religion imaginabvle is condoned in today's world - except for Christianity. It may be the largest religion in the world, but the very name of Jesus upsets many unbelievers. And there is a reason for that. Read the four Gospels in the Bible, and you will see that Jesus looks you right in the eye, tells it like it is, and never compromises. He makes people look into their own hearts, minds and souls. And even the best of us do not see pretty things.

Yes, it is true that many bad things have been done in the name of God, but many religions operate that way. Why? Is it God's fault? No, human nature is corrupt and wicked, which was one of the things Jesus pointed out. The fact that evil is done in his name should come as no surprise when we look at the corrupt nature of humanity surrounding us. But great good is also done in his name, and as Jesus said, you will know them by their fruits. Those who did evil in the name of God are not really his followers, and the Bible has an answer for that, too.

I can't say I ever did not believe in God, but I was once confused about him and didn't really believe in Jesus. More accurately, I didn't want to believe. But I kept being drawn to him in spite of myself, and I found him in places you might not expect. Always remember, God is looking for YOU, and when you are ready to receive him, you won't have to wonder any more about whether or not he exists.
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