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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:48 pm
I just started homeschooling (halfway through 10th grade - don't ask) and I really like it! heart You get to make your own hours, and always have a certain amount of freedom in the way you have your classes. For English, I'm reading mostly different books than my old school; more advanced, though. I barely have any classes left after this year, so that'll give me a lot of free time, and I already have more than I did in school.
So... Is anyone here homeschooled? And if not, would you like to be?
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:54 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
I suppose I would like to be - there are ups and downs to it really. On one hand, Books, especially text books and regents prep books, do not have everything one needs to know for a course - and somethings really do require a teacher of some sort - which is where the benefit of proper schooling is, although one could just hire tutors - but that usually costs money if you can't pump it out of the school. On the other hand, if you are willing to cough up the dough, you can get better teachers and choose the ones you want if you are doing homeschooling. On the other hand, if you choose not to do that - there are many colleges that won't think you've been "sufficiently taught" unless you did get the really good tutors. On the other hand, the really good tutors tend to expect a lot more out of you. On the other hand, I, personally, am already vastly above the usual level in essentially everything - perhaps only a bit above average in certain sciences and certain mathematics - but for History and Literature/Writing - I am way ahead of my reading level. On the other hand, tutors have the habit of picking books that are just dull (like War and Peace). On the other hand, I wouldn't have any trouble reading that, and it would look nice on my college resume to say I read the book - as some colleges like to know that you have read books of such a level. On the other hand, I have read books vastly beyond that level, just for fun, when I was about 7. On the other hand, I am very into the arts - and most of the arts cannot be "taught" and really just require you either go buy a theater, hire a musical instructor, hire an artist, buy yourself a canvas, and buy a lot of artistic supplies, or that you hire some proof-readers/editors and people of the like (as really, friends aren't going to always be the best for this). On the other hand, you'd have more freedom over what you did in these classes. On the other hand, what you wanted to do might not be what the colleges you would want to go to would want you to do. On the other hand, I could take German and Japanese as my languages for the next two years, rather then have Latin (which I might still take for SAT prep anyway - but on a lighter scale then the school curriculum has it) and then no language at all, which, when I go to college and take a language - can sometimes throw people off. On the other hand, I could wake up later. On the other hand, I have insomnia, so it doesn't really matter. On the other hand, I could just walk and do weights for gym, which would prevent some asthma attacks. On the other hands, my asthma attacks get me free passes out of doing gym altogether sometimes... On the other hand, I would have to deal with the jackasses at our school, as I have been doing for the many years - even though I know all the comebacks and best ways to ignore them. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to see my friends as often as I do. On the other hand, I would be able to have my father teach me math rather then Mr. Lebenns. On the other hand, I would be able to have my father teach me math rather then Mr. Lebenns. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to see the teachers I liked anymore. On the other hand, I'd never have to see the teachers I hated again. On the other hand, I wouldn't have to do Chemistry vocabulary or lab writeups that involve rewriting the entire lab, even though it is already there. On the other hand, having the vocabulary sheet is pretty useful for studying - although the lab thing is still null:void. On the other hand, I'd be able to be on Gaia Online more often. On the other hand, my parents wouldn't give me so many tests as my current teachers do, which would mean I get less money... On the other hand, I could associate myself with any classes I desired - and not limit myself to the ones that are taught at our school. On the other hand, a lot of those classes don't have text books - so I would have to find a tutor or something for them if I wanted to really get proper credits - which would just be costly and annoying. On the other hand, I would have more time to study things I was interested in (human psychology, philosophy, ancient history, Japanese/German, mythology, archeology, and such). On the other hand, I would have to do it all in the school-style, which I would prefer not doing - so I would only have a bit more time to do them in my freetime, if I pleased to. On the other hand, school gives me a lot of time to write my stories (fanfiction or otherwise) as I don't pay any more attention then copying down notes and watching examples in class, but if I was being homeschooled - it would be pretty obvious when I wasn't paying attention. On the other hand, I would have more time to do it outside of "school". On the other hand, I have a short attention span, and if I actually tried to set aside time to do these things, they would never get done... kinda like school, very last-minute. On the other hand, Precalculus wouldn't be an almost manditory option if I wanted to fill up both years of my math career - as even College Prep. Math encompases a good amount of Precalc. On the other hand, my father doesn't know much about Matrix Algebra and Statistics - so I'd probably need a tutor for that, as math is one thing I prefer having somebody teach me... On the other hand, I could finish my stuff earlier, as the timing would always work out that way - and in turn, I could either graduate earlier, which would give me a year to get a job and raise a lot of college money - or give me a year to take some extra AP classes for more college credits to get out of the way. On the other hand, my attention span would hate me for doing homeschooling, as their would be nobody to yell at me if I stopped paying at least SOME attention - which in turn, would take just as long as it did before just because of that... On the other hand, I could do night schooling, as it is the only time I am awake. On the other hand, not many tutors (or at least good ones) will really want to teach at such a Ra-forsaken hour as that which I'd like to learn at. On the other hand, I can take a better health class that would further clarify that I only have two hands... not 40.
 Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:36 am
Wow... that's a lot. First of all, coming from someone who knows, you can indeed learn everything you need from the texbook, and it is much easier for people like us who absorb information so well. As for tutors, my math tutor is very good, and says that he tutors in the middle of the night for college students. AP classes don't even matter to me, as I have no intention of taking them and, at this point, I could care less about college. But yes, it gives you an insane amount of time on Gaia. As for your attention span though, come on, it's only 3 hours and 20 minutes a week.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:35 am
For the classes I'd want to take, I can't learn from textbooks because (a) from experience, Regents and SATs aren't made up of everything in them, commonly having things only taught in school and (b) half of the things I'd want to learn don't have textbooks - in addition, you really don't know my attention span. Also, if I were to do homeschool, I do care about college as, even though I have many artistic skills, one shouldn't rely on them for income - so I want to make sure that if I do homeschooling, I would have the best tutors available to me, being taught with the best books, and I'd take all the AP classes that I could possibly take as provided by the Long Island schools.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:59 am
Well, everyone's entitled to do as they please. I, however, care much more about my own happiness than whatever the colleges may think of me, especially after this past half-year. I choose an incredibly easy next two years, with hardly any classes, when I can pretty much do everything I've had to put off for so long before in my vast amounts of free time. And also, you can't tell someone who's had to learn solely from texbooks on several occassions that you still can't get 90+ on everything.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:16 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
For the more... classical, classes - World History, US History, Economics/Government, English (Literature/Vocab), Mathematics A/B, Precalculus - things of that nature - it is usually simple enough to learn most of the matters - but as I said before, from experience, I know that not everything on the Regents is from the books given, they'll always sneak a little something in there to take your points down a bit. However, classes such as Archeology, Psychology, and things of that sort - are much more indepth then definitions and articles. To get a full comprehension of the studies, you cannot just read from a book, it requires hands on, discussion, and for archeology - well... you'll need to actually dig every once and a while. Art classes are in the same retrospect, a text book can tell you how to do something - but it cannot physically show and help you if you aren't doing it perfectly.
 Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:43 pm
Well, that's if you want to do hands on stuff. When I do it, Anthropology/Archaeolohy is just going to be learning from various books, because I don't really want or need any of the hands on. And I didn't want to take any more art classes, but even if I did... heck, my mom's qualified to teach art, and it's not like I would have wanted ceramics or anything, so in my case, I'm not missing out on anything at all, get to wake up late, do classes at my leisure, and don't have to be around a bunch of people I hate. Mind you, those people are mostly administration...
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:30 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
Well, you may decide to learn something like that based off of vocabulary and theory - but I would like to study these things as a career possibility, and I can’t really do that if I am just learning the “theory behind” or the “How To” because, from experience, I know they make it sound completely different to how it is really done. While some people can make a living off of the arts, it is not something that is likely, and it tends to take many years – so one would need a job on the side. Even people like Stephen King couldn’t live ENTIRELY off of his books for many years, and he is one of the best authors I have ever read. Many artists, book or otherwise, don’t even become famous until they DIE – and I really don’t care about my grandchildren’s grandiose fortune enough to rely on that little fact. As for theater and music, it is true – these careers are easier to work around, however they are still not the best paying jobs you’ll find until you become famous. You also have to be amazingly skilled in order to get the jobs that will pay enough that you need (which really just means, better – and sometimes richer – then everybody else). I love the arts, and I will pursue them on an economic basis – however I do not intend to make my economic future based off of them, and hence, need to go to college if I want a reliable job. And if I want to get to college, I would like to (a) have the classes they want, require, and would like completed (b) have any classes relating to my profession of choice completed and (c) have an excellent understanding and complete overview of the basics prior to entering any college-level classes.
 Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:27 am
Trust me, if you had the same thing happen in school, you'd be comprimising every plan you ever made for the future. And in all technicalities, I do not plan to only be a writer; I do want to be one of those... editors, I suppose? Well, you know what I'm talking about. If I wanted to, there is probably an online college I could "go" to should I never want to set foot in a school again.
sweatdrop Heh, you're the only one that will really understand that rant. As it should be.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:35 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
Yeah - I might consider online college, if only to save the money that it costs to dorm up and such, but at the same time - I really would like to get the, pardon my French (speaking of which - French Honor Society baby), ******** out of here. You understand, I'm sure, with my undying hatred of my family - the desire to move out is fairly strong. How I do college and where I do it mean very little to me - as long as I get ALL the classes I need. I am making sure I have enough credentials to go into at least three fields of profession... my general plan is as follows: - Complete all courses on Japanese available - Take every writing class available - make extreme emphasis on fiction, editing, and translation (would it not be awesome if I could work for TokyoPop or something?) - Take courses on Ancient and Japanese History - Take some anthro-archo-paleo classes - EARTH SCIENCE - As some of the colleges, online or otherwise, still expect you to take mathematics - I would take statistics *nods* - My college friends say that the basic class is a breeze and like... completly calculator-oriented.
I know it's a lot of classes, but I would really like a Doctorate's Degree - so I might as well, you know? If I do have some extra classes - I would take musical composition (lyricism is one of the writing classes I earlier implied) and if I went to a college, rather then doing it online, I would probably take some theater programs... and of course, if I go to a college - I would go join up the clubs (Anime, Japanophiles, etc.), maybe join meditation "team" (some colleges have it as a sport, oddly enough).
This is now more on a terms of "home college or not" - I don't think I'd mind college as much as I do high school, as the hours are better and all - the only thing annoying is that it's gargantuanly expensive, even if you take the online courses (although it does save money, presuming you live with somebody who pays your rent... otherwise it is about the same really).
 Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:42 pm
You know anything about online colleges? If so, please tell me. It's hard to make a convincing argument on a subject you barely know anything about, aside from commercials. Like, are the really cheaper than going to a college (my mom thinks they'd be more expensive for some reason), and to they have financial aid? Also, if you know any good ones with an English major, that'd be nice too, especially if it didn't base too much emphasis on the SAT's (damned day-long tests). >_< Well, I think you know that my emphasis would be on fiction and editing as well.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:56 pm
I'm afraid that if you want to go into English majors that the SAT is going to affect your capability to be accepted (even if you go out of the country, it still has some effect - although not as great). Currently, online classes are not exactly the best caliber (a.k.a. not the best schools teach online), but you can still get the degree. There are some flaws my college friends have told me about it - for instance, you will need to go to the actual school for the final examination and obtaining the degree, although that isn't too bad (unless you apply to a college in Cali and continue to live on Long Island). As for English courses (specifically on editing, although I looked for creative writing too) I only really found Stonebridge Associated Colleges (which is in the UK) and the University of Phoenix. However, the problem with both of these is that you usually need to ALREADY have a degree of a college level in order to take many online courses. In addition, some of the courses they will require you come in more then others - and they may be classes you need simply for the degree. E-Learners is a good website to look for things, and it has some prices too. Bringing me to my final point - costs. I would say it really depends on your living arrangements and which classes you take. If you have good (a.k.a. ones you don't have to pay for) living arrangements - then the college courses will be much cheaper, especially as some of them don't require text books. However, if you are living on your own or with friends, many college courses are cramped into shorter time periods - giving you much less time to work - which in turn, would be more expensive. On average, it usually tends to even out to being about the same amount... but I don't have enough friends doing it to totally confirm that for you. Many students take college classes, online, from inside the dorms - which is probably the cheapest, but still most efficient way to do it. Once again, however, the dilenma of "application" requirements comes up where many expect you to be a full-time worker if you are going to be joining. As for financial aid... no, it almost never happens as far as I can tell - perhaps if you get a scholarship to the same school giving the courses, specifically, it might work out - but otherwise, I doubt it.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:11 pm
You know, it would really help if anyone could tell me how much I actually have in my college fund, but all of a sudden it's a big secret. As for taking finals there, that I could deal with, though I'm not sure what you mean by getting accepted into the same college that gives the classes first... Like, do whatever essay-type thing they want so you get in, and then apply to do classes online? And yes, I'd be living at home, wherever home is by then.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:14 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
As long as you are being financially aided for your home - then "home" is there. Well, you don't really apply to the college, persay, but you do have to apply online still - and as I said, earlier, there are certain requirements you may have difficulty meeting with many online courses, such as already having a bachelor's degree. Yes, it would really help to know how much you had - so you could find the best option for the matter.
A bit off topic - but, ideally, what would you like your living arrangements to be from the end of high school up?
 Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:19 pm
Oh no, they sound like I'll need financial aid whether I'm living at home or not, but then again, the ones telling me that don't have a clue what's in my college fund. As for living arrangements, nothing, I repeat nothing, is definite anymore. Why do you ask?
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