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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:51 pm
So I've been eclectic pagan for going on four years, and recently Im growing interested in druidism, but unfortunetly don't know much about it. Anybody here know things or is a druid? I could google it, and might to begin research, but I prefer firsthand info and talking about it =P
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:41 pm
Ice Djinni Kaidreil So I've been eclectic pagan for going on four years, and recently Im growing interested in druidism, but unfortunetly don't know much about it. Anybody here know things or is a druid? I could google it, and might to begin research, but I prefer firsthand info and talking about it =P Sorry to disappoint, but the Druids as a Celtic caste no longer exist. They were pretty much wiped out hundreds of years ago. Now, if you mean the reconstructionist group OBOD (which really shouldn't be calling themselves Druids because they haven't received proper training--the methods for which were also lost hundreds of years ago >_< ), then you could always look them up, or go PM Cuchullain about it.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:28 am
Darin Rosewood Ice Djinni Kaidreil So I've been eclectic pagan for going on four years, and recently Im growing interested in druidism, but unfortunetly don't know much about it. Anybody here know things or is a druid? I could google it, and might to begin research, but I prefer firsthand info and talking about it =P Sorry to disappoint, but the Druids as a Celtic caste no longer exist. They were pretty much wiped out hundreds of years ago. Now, if you mean the reconstructionist group OBOD (which really shouldn't be calling themselves Druids because they haven't received proper training--the methods for which were also lost hundreds of years ago >_< ), then you could always look them up, or go PM Cuchullain about it.To add on a little to this, if by Druid you meant Celtic (some people get this confused) you should probably also be aware that to be Celtic you must be born a P Celt or a Q Celt (if you don't know what this means then you haven't been born into either group), you must be adopted by a Celt, or the Celtic God(s) must come down and have called you for a specific reason. I'd like to say that this would be the same of OBOD, but to be honest, I'm not really comepletely certain on that. I think that the surnames of those families who have the heritage to be in the OBOD can be traced back, but I'm pulling at peices of what Cuchullian has said that I might be pulling in incorrectly. Really pming Cuchullian is probably one of the best ways to get some good immediate sources.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:22 pm
I see. Well as for my terminology, I'm just repeating what a friend had told me. That is, a close friend who moved from Montreal had a close friend who he referred to as a druid, or practicing druidism. I know they've been gone for centuries =P not that assuming ^^;
Humm...those groups sound pretty...exclusive. Though my family's the type to hold secrets (didn't even know I had native blood until I found out my greatuncle was Metis. A few years after that we found out that my nana was metis as well! geez, she never even told my mom, she found out through different channels. Anyways, where I was going with this is that I couldnt be sure, though I am sure its a far throw if somehow I was connected XD I dont think so)
Thanks for input, and this guy, Cuchullain, he's pretty knowledgable about all this? Maybe after wrapping my head around a bit more I'll PM him... guess he's not in the guild then, eh?
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:43 am
No he's not in this guild. Though he is in the Fluffy Rehab Clinic if you're more comfortable throwing out your questions in to a forum. Everyone who is there is very knowledgable on what they talk about and can source or reference you to the texts they are drawing on. I generally suggest anyone looking into paganism of any form join this guild because they can help with misinformation early and because they help people stay grounded in reality while looking into paganism.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:39 pm
Actually, the Celtic druids weren't wiped out, just destroyed to the point they are extremely secretive about locations, travel, and what they reveal. A group that powerful in what they did wouldn;t allow themselves to be totally obliterated. At the veyr least, they've sure to hidden a book or two.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:50 pm
From my understanding, the tradition began to die once Caesar had set himself on conquering Gaul around 44 BC. For some reason the Romans were stupid and called all the druids priests, which compared to their version of a priest, is pretty unaccurate. Christianity was still a ways off though, so it didn't play much of a role... But the Romans targeted the druids, discrediting them and all sorts of crap, because Caesar knew they were the key to the people's strength. (they were the administrators, judges and other important key people other than just spiritual leaders as well)
Anyways, this is just my gatherings from history. The actual order probably did survive much longer than recorded in history, but with secrecy, I'm betting they couldn't have lasted too long, because of the lack of initiates....
hehe <3 history buff XD Im sorry
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:03 am
The Mysterious Priest Actually, the Celtic druids weren't wiped out, just destroyed to the point they are extremely secretive about locations, travel, and what they reveal. A group that powerful in what they did wouldn;t allow themselves to be totally obliterated. At the veyr least, they've sure to hidden a book or two. The Druid tradition was a mainly oral tradition, so at least one Druid would have needed to survive to pass down "Druid " knowledge. If you have a source for where you heard the Druids were not destroyed or survivied in secret, I'd like to see it please.
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:14 pm
indeed. For the oral teachings, that is. As well, even if they did survive in few numbers, I'm betting tradition and beliefs would becomed skewed quickly with missing knowledge and personal bias. Especially with so few.
Most Gauls didn't like the idea of writing when the druid tradition was strong still. Belief that whoever had it would have power over you...anyways, by the time it may have been accepted would be after romanization, and thus anything written has large potential for misinformation....
'specially with Christian filtering in the centuries following...
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:48 pm
In spite of those who insist that there cannot be modern Druids, there are modern Druidic revivals and institutions. Perhaps one of the more well known of them is ADF, the child of Isaac Bonewitz, which does emphasize a fair degree of scholasticism and academia. Form what I understand, they do not claim to be a recreation of that caste anyway; they're well aware of the historical facts. They do their research and aim to recreate based on what IS known; perhaps revive the practice in spirit, although it may not be a revival which is accurate to the letter.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:21 am
Priest is completely right. There is (as far as I know) 8 books left, 3 of which will probably never be found except by the exact right person. And even though it would not be 100% druidism unless you are P Celt or Q Celt, you can still practice it. And if you had to, it would be easier to find a P Celt to talk to, as they do not keep things so exsclusive, mind it is still rare to have one devulge unto you.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:41 am
i see. well i can't exactly walk up to someone asking 'say, are you by chance a P Celtic? No? How about Q? Well no, Im not related, just interested in learning your secrets" =P
i guess its to the message boards for me. I did find the site of OBOD, so Ill check out that other one, too. What was it? ADF. right.
wish i knew someone around me that was convieniently well versed in this stuff.
so there are 8 books then, eh? wonder what the original manuscript language is in >.> but better a translation cause my latins choppy and few other languages are still taught....even though translations can get iffy every so often. do you by chance know the names of the books? who wrote them?
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:42 pm
righ then. Well i've officially radied both the sites of OBOD and ADF and so far ADF is more appealing to me in general. It's practically exactly the type of thing I've been looking for. =3 i'll read on, and decide later. After all, choosing a religion is more serious to me than others =P specially since ive been rather frightened away from structured religion =_=
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