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Clint Beastwood

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:06 am


I just learnt this a while back and found it kinda interesting, but did all of you know that there is a hiragana and katakana for "Wi" and "We"? They aren't really used anymore, but yeah. 3nodding

Wi: ゐ/ヰ
We: ゑ/ヱ
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:58 pm


Yup, also

〆 shime
ゞ- (I think duplicates a syllable that can have the ten-tens and changes it to it (ie:  さ ざ.
ゝ- same as the one before only doesn't add ten-tens

Not sure about these.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:20 pm


How... interesting. I had no idea, and I've studied for four years... That's sort of sad if you think about it. How did you learn this? eek
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:58 pm


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How... interesting. I had no idea, and I've studied for four years... That's sort of sad if you think about it. How did you learn this? eek


Well, another sad thing is I don't remember how I learned about this! sweatdrop Or when for that matter.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:10 pm


Hey, that's okay. I like how the symbols look. I've never seen them before. So now I can go and talk with my teacher about them. 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:05 pm


They were included on a character list I got, but I never actually learned them. What are they for, anyway?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:21 am


che_hyun
They were included on a character list I got, but I never actually learned them. What are they for, anyway?


From what I know they aren't really used. They used to be used but now aren't. confused
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:46 pm


Clint Beastwood
I just learnt this a while back and found it kinda interesting, but did all of you know that there is a hiragana and katakana for "Wi" and "We"? They aren't really used anymore, but yeah. 3nodding

Wi: ゐ/ヰ
We: ゑ/ヱ


yea surprised I was wondering because I saw them before and had no idea what they were surprised ....... * has the urge to use them now *

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:46 pm


che_hyun
They were included on a character list I got, but I never actually learned them. What are they for, anyway?


The kana of :Wi, Wu, We, Yi, Ye,
and the hiragana Vu (ゔ ) are all obsolete characters.

They used to be used with the Japanese language, but eventually were no longer necessary.
They aren't really pronounced in speech, but sometimes people will romanise things in an old fashioned manner. ex; 'Kaworu' is the same thing as 'Kaoru', in pronunciation.

Vu is still an acceptable Katakana character, with the 'u' with ten-tens. However, the hiragana one is said to be obsolete, except when translation of older documents which may use it

And a really long time ago:
散歩しています≫散歩してゐます
'Sampo shiteimasu" used to be 'Sampo shitewimasu'
Iru was once 'wiru'
When written with hiragana

There wasn't really a difference in how you said it, so I guess it made sense to get rid of it.
I learned them, because I learned Japanese from my grandma who lived in Japan until after the war, so it makes my Japanese a little more archaic at times, as some words I use aren't generally used anymore either. The use of wi, wu, we, et al. were all used prior to the war, and after they were deemed obsolete, so in place, 'i, u, e' are used, because there wasn't a phonetic difference.
Ex: my grandma's name was "西枝" which is "Nishie" but she romanised it as "Nishiye" and also other Issei wrote as "Nisiye" both of which are equivelent.

Also- ha hi fu he ho at one time were used for wa, i, u, e, o in some cases.
Ie: Miyazawa Kenji's poem, "ame ni mo makezu" where there are parts that say "kohagaranaku temo ihi to ihi" (Kowagaranaku temo ii to ii)
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:48 pm


the words are dying gonk emo

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:53 pm


i have no idea....
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:28 pm


That's really interesting.

Is there a chance that I'd encounter them while studying Japanese?

"Vu" has to be the weirdest one from the "dead" list.

Sanee


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:52 pm


Sanee
That's really interesting.

Is there a chance that I'd encounter them while studying Japanese?

"Vu" has to be the weirdest one from the "dead" list.
Maybe if you're reading something old.
Outside of that, I can't they're used a lot.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:44 am


wo how interesting im gonna talk to my sensei about that i wander if he knows about them.

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Clint Beastwood

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:17 pm


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Sanee
That's really interesting.

Is there a chance that I'd encounter them while studying Japanese?

"Vu" has to be the weirdest one from the "dead" list.
Maybe if you're reading something old.
Outside of that, I can't they're used a lot.


Haha, I read on Wikipedia that Nikka Whiskey still uses the katakana wi when they write whiskey instead of ui. I visited their factory/museum when I was studying in Hokkaido and bought a hat, but it was in romanji. Too bad! gonk
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