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Ok so I was surfing around in another abortion debate website (I go to a few around the net mostly just to read the debates/arguments/comments) and I saw a choicer make an interesting comment in a thread. The thread was about a woman who had gotten IVF treatment instead of adopting because she wanted to experience pregnancy and birth. I saw a choicer comment in there saying "But I thought that pregnancy was like the worst possible thing to go through. Why would she want to do that?"

And my face went like > neutral and I just thought to myself, "What in the world is she talking about???"

I then sort of realized, after seeing her posts, that this girl only thought that because that is what a lot of pro-choicers had been saying to her. She was sort of new to the debate and just repeated a lot of the same things choicers have said, the same arguments etc. She didn't really have anything original to say at all.

But this got me thinking. She said that because why? Because pro-choicers are telling people that pregnancy is just god-awful to go through! It's as though they are trying to make people believe that pregnancy is a horrible thing to experience. Now this doesn't apply to all choicers obviously, just some of them. But I have seen this a lot in many forums I've been to around the net and I just don't understand why. Is it because it helps their argument or something? Perhaps an emotional appeal?

From my experience of talking to the women in my family they all have had different experiences with their pregnancies. Some were great, some were bad, and some were average. I think it is ridiculous to say that all pregnancies are going to be horrible and make you want an abortion rolleyes .

My mother had average pregnancies with all three of her kids, I think two of us (out of my brothers and me) caused her some mild discomfort but it wasn't anything too bad.
My aunt had a very weird first pregnancy, where her hormones made her just really crazy and she had a lot of discomfort, so she didn't have any more kids after the first one.
My cousin however loves being pregnant and popping out one kid after another. I don't know why, she really just loves kids and her pregnancies. (She has 6 kids right now eek )

I myself have never been pregnant, nor am I prepared to be pregnant for another 10 years or so, so I don't know what it's like. But my question is, why do you think that choicers say that pregnancy is just a horrible, dreadful thing to go through?

Also for those of you who have been pregnant, or have any stories to share regarding a relative's or friend's pregnancy please share. I am very curious as to what most women experience during their pregnancies. 3nodding

I was there for my sister's pregnancy, and it wasn't pleasant. She had morning sickness for almost all of it, she was uncomfortable, her moods were really uncontrolled.

For most women, pregnancy isn't fun. Some women have really easy pregnancies and some have really hard one, but you are right that most are just uncomfortable. When women choose to become pregnant, or choose to keep a pregnancy, they accept that it isn't going to be fun, but most will tell you that it is worth it because they love their child(ren).

Unless someone has a physically problem, pregnancy isn't the worst thing in the world. I can understand why some women desperately don't want to be pregnant, and I can understand why some woman desperately want to be pregnant.

I don't really know many Pro-Choicers who use an always anti-pregnancy argument. It's sort of silly, to me, since it is also a choice to remain/become pregnant...

Also, my mom says that she didn't really mind being pregnant, nor even giving birth. Women who use birthing chairs, or do water births often report no pain at all.

it is a common war tactic of turning the "enemy" into a faceless monster. who would you rather kill, a terrorist cammel-jockey america-hater who spits in apple pies, or a common man with goals and aspirations much like your own?

which would you rather do, bring a child into the world or end a sickness by throwing away a clump of cells?

common propoganda.

Well actually yes, some women don't feel any pain during childbirth at all.
When my mom had my youngest brother, her last kid, she said that she didn't feel much if any pain at all when having him and it was the shortest birth she had ever gone through. I think it is because the more kids you have over time the easier it becomes to birth them.

My boyfriend told me that his great grandmother had had 15 children. 0__0 And she was pregnant with her 16th child. She was just chatting on the phone with her friend and the kid freaking slipped out.

I've read online as well that some women actually feel sexual pleasure when birthing...kinda weird if you ask me but that's what I've read... sweatdrop

But yes, first births are usually very painful. When my mom had me (I'm her first) she was in horrible pain until they gave her some drugs.

And my standard response: if you were the one drowning, and I just stood there claiming I don't have the obligation to save you, you wouldn't agree. I don't care how coldly logical some people claim to be, they'd be freaking out yelling "******** HELP ME, YOU SICK PSYCHO!!" To claim that it's okay for other people to be killed but not yourself is hypocrisy.
Likewise, if a fetus knew what was going on during an abortion, would they give two shits about their mother's bodily integrity? If a cow knew it was going to be turned into steak, would it care that steak is nummy and someone's got a craving for it? Hell no.
Should it matter that cows and fetuses can't vocalise or even comprehend what's happening to them? By that logic--call this a slippery slope if you want, I don't see much of a difference--it should be okay to send severely retarded people to gas chambers, telling them it's a shower.

Meh, guess it comes with the territory, and I'm glad you chose not to be part of that clique. Rational and level headed choicers I'm all for, you understand you want to protect the womans right to choose, and there is nothing wrong with that (just my ideals differ) but when you start linking us to women hating or we wanting quantity over quality and also us not caring about children after they are born.

I dunno, just irks me and was the cause of why I stopped debating.

And about no pregnany and pain, yes it is painful, but your body was built to sustain it, but still its like sticking a watermelon through a doughnut (the doughnut can strech as intended, and I just made myself hungry), but it isn't as unbearable as some make it to be I'm guessing.

Hell I can relate in pain somewhat, though I can never compare. Imagine locking your right knee, swinging a sledge hammer into the side of your knee with all of your might. Thats the most pain I have ever been delt, though that didn't happen persey, but having a full grown man with a helmet on dive into the side of your knee while it is locked in place (my knee injury during football) is somewhat similar.

I can understand that. I am too afraid to say anything to the other choicers especially the more extreme ones in the choice guild...I've already done that and gotten my head bitten off because of it. I realized it is just better to agree or say nothing at all. xd


I think pain differs for everybody. I think some people have more ability to sustain it than others and I'd never expect anyone to have to go through any kind of pain they don't want to.


Oooouch...That had to hurt. The worst pain I've ever been has to be from my menstrual period. One time I just forgot to take some ibuprofen before I went to bed when I was on my period and I woke up early in the morning puking my guts out and crying for my mommy. ugh...it felt like someone was tearing apart my insides. I don't handle pain well, it just makes me nauseas and hyperventilate for some reason. sweatdrop