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 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:22 pm
Dominionists are trying to take over the rule of America. How? Well George Bush is a nice start. You see how our country is suddenly all "We have to be a nation of Christ" yet?
There are 16 pro-lifers in Congress. STRONG pro-lifers. There is a judge who is working strongly with Bush who wanted to execute gays. These people want to make being gay and getting an abortion a felony. Revisionists say that the Bible isn't against homosexuals. Dominionists say that the constitution declared we're supposed to be a theocracy. Dominionists are professing that we HAVE to be conservative, we HAVE to be Christians, and if we aren't we HAVE to move out of the country because if we don't we will pretty much be like the "witches" of the Salem Witch Trials or the Jews during the Holocaust. (no offense meant to wiccans or anyone affected by the holocaust in a more personal way.)
Now don't get me wrong, I am Christian and I like the fact that people are trying to get others to understand God. But I don't appreciate people FORCING religious views on others. Nor do I appreciate them condemning everyone to hell for having a different religious outlook and secular beliefs compared to ours. I don't think that's what America should be about at all.
What are your thoughts?
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:01 pm
ScarredImage Dominionists are professing that we HAVE to be conservative, we HAVE to be Christians, and if we aren't we HAVE to move out of the country because if we don't we will pretty much be like the "witches" of the Salem Witch Trials or the Jews during the Holocaust. (no offense meant to wiccans or anyone affected by the holocaust in a more personal way.) Now don't get me wrong, I am Christian and I like the fact that people are trying to get others to understand God. But I don't appreciate people FORCING religious views on others. yea, well they can snuff it, and we still will have a problem. Welcome to America, where the seperation of Church and State has lost it's meaning. This country is run by who the people elect. They make the decisions, not us. We deside who makes the decisions, though. The country has been moving more conservite since the Super Bowl....nah, I think Clinton. And the pro-lifers have the majority right now. Doesn't mean they can't be stoped from turning the country into a haven for Christianty, and hell for other religions, but we're headed that way.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:20 pm
ScarredImage Dominionists say that the constitution declared we're supposed to be a theocracy. How the hell did they ever come up with that one? More then half the people who wrote the Constitution, and signed it, were, at most Deistic. In Fact, Thomas Jefferson, author of The Declaration of Independence says this about God: "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." He said this about Government:"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." This on Christianity:"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." As well as this: "Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus." And finally this: "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ." Here is some Adams on Christianity: "The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." James Madison on Christianity in politics: "What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." This too: "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." So, with such hostile words against Christianity from many of our country's forefathers, how have dominionists come to such a conclusion?
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:51 pm
I really wish I knew. There are Extreme Evangelicals who are saying that Separation of Church and State was never meant to be, yet they're pushing for all public schools to be torn down and make only private schools meant to serve religions. I'm still ticked that one of the people working next to Bush is a judge who wants to execute all gays and women who consider abortion, even if for medical purposes! It just bothers me that this "land of the free" is becoming "land of the free only if you believe in God, are a hypocrite, or are very very rich and good-looking." We were not meant to become a theocracy. I may be Christian but I'd rather people come to the religion willingly rather than terrified of being deported to some other country or, worse than that, executed for standing up for their right to "freedom of religion." Arg, this is why I wanna leave America.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:31 am
This makes me more glad I'm in Canada O_o anyways I don't think it will happen, I mean a recent survey showed that lots of the working population is non-christian. So if they deported them or killed them, the U.N. would be against it, and the economy would drop as less countries trade with the U.S.A. and the working population gets sufficiently smaller. I don't think it will ever happen but I guess its a possibility
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:26 pm
I would like to also know how these dominionists get past the Treaty of Tripoli, most importantly, article 11, which states the U.S. was not found on christianity.
I think part of the reason that America wants to go this christianity route, is because, according to my poli sci textbook (Comparitive Politics, by Michael J. Sodaro), 80-90% of Americans identify with the Christian Religion. I would also wager to say, that of those 80-90% a large number would love for America to be based on Christianity, or would give no thought to Amendment 1.
Even when I had been christian, and was getting a grasp of politics, I never wanted religion and politics mixed, I thought that would be a disasterous equation. Furthermore, if we look at history, we should be able to see how well theocracies work. Not one of them has lasted long without corruption.
Secondly, I am hesitant to leave America, while we certainly have many rights, and some are severely limited, few other countries have the same rights. Furthermore American medical care is pretty much number one compared to all other countries medical care.
There is also the issue of guns. I am very big on guns. In fact, I, pretty much own a 12 gauge shotgun. I love guns. I also think they are an essential liberty, Thomas Jefferson has this to say about guns: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
I know in Canada, they have a much different gun control policy than in the U.S. Canadiens have a policy for rifles and shotguns that is similar to the U.S. policy, while their handgun policy allows for the RCMP to come into ones home, perform a full search, at any time, with no need for probable cause, and they are able to write it off for hand-gun reasons.
I would greatly like to own a few handguns, rifles, and shotguns, however, I do not like the Canadien handgun policy.
Then there is England. They have the worst policy for me. In England, most, if not all, guns are illegal.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:08 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 pm
Yes, but you must also remember that though we may have more freedom than them now we could very easily end up having such harsh policies someday.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:19 am
ScarredImage Yes, but you must also remember that though we may have more freedom than them now we could very easily end up having such harsh policies someday. True. However, the constitution has kept this country in line so far, and I don't anticipate it being flushed down the toilet anytime soon, despite the president we have in office right now.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:36 am
Starlock ScarredImage Yes, but you must also remember that though we may have more freedom than them now we could very easily end up having such harsh policies someday. True. However, the constitution has kept this country in line so far, and I don't anticipate it being flushed down the toilet anytime soon, despite the president we have in office right now. *shrugifies* They're trying to reinterpret it now actually for the sake of their little "Grab your torch and pitchforks and chuck them at the non-Christians!" crusade.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:42 am
chaoticpuppet I know in Canada, they have a much different gun control policy than in the U.S. Canadiens have a policy for rifles and shotguns that is similar to the U.S. policy, while their handgun policy allows for the RCMP to come into ones home, perform a full search, at any time, with no need for probable cause, and they are able to write it off for hand-gun reasons. I would greatly like to own a few handguns, rifles, and shotguns, however, I do not like the Canadien handgun policy. Then there is England. They have the worst policy for me. In England, most, if not all, guns are illegal. I live in canada, I have rifles and handguns. Oh and the RCMP searching your place, I only see the RCMP 1 a year and thats for a special event. They dont really do anything in cities, they leave it to the cities law enforcment. I mean the last thing the RCMP has done as far as we know is lose 5 new members in a gun fight
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:54 am
ScarredImage Dominionists say that the constitution declared we're supposed to be a theocracy. **slams head on keyboard** If they want to start a theocracy, boy do I have a book they need to read . . .
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:42 am
Some_Guy15 I live in canada, I have rifles and handguns. Oh and the RCMP searching your place, I only see the RCMP 1 a year and thats for a special event. They dont really do anything in cities, they leave it to the cities law enforcment. I mean the last thing the RCMP has done as far as we know is lose 5 new members in a gun fight It's not how often they actually do the search, it's the propensity to do the search at any time, without probable cause, that bother's me.
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:07 pm
Leinaa ScarredImage Dominionists say that the constitution declared we're supposed to be a theocracy. **slams head on keyboard** If they want to start a theocracy, boy do I have a book they need to read . . . hahahahaha. I'm sure many people need to read it
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:59 am
chaoticpuppet Some_Guy15 I live in canada, I have rifles and handguns. Oh and the RCMP searching your place, I only see the RCMP 1 a year and thats for a special event. They dont really do anything in cities, they leave it to the cities law enforcment. I mean the last thing the RCMP has done as far as we know is lose 5 new members in a gun fight It's not how often they actually do the search, it's the propensity to do the search at any time, without probable cause, that bother's me. Thats the thing, I dont know where you heard this but they can't. I don't know where you heard that but they just can't. The RCMP isn't authorized to do searchs in cities and they are only in the area surrounding the rockies anyways. I mean come on these are the people that take pride that they gallop around on horses because they don't have enough cars for everyone stare These are the people that have made oh so many deadly mistakes in the past years. In fact I dont even know why we have an RCMP. We could easily make county police and district police stations for cheaper. The only time the RCMP does searchs anyways is for drug busts
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