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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:23 am


Taken from: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-02-05-marijuana_x.htm?csp=34?huh


Tyreol Gardner first smoked marijuana when he was 13.
"The main reason I tried it was curiosity," Gardner recalls. "I wanted to see what it felt like."

He liked what it felt like, and by age 15, he was smoking pot every week. He supported his habit with the money his parents gave him for getting straight A's on his report card. They didn't have a clue.

"By 16, when I got my license, it turned into a fairly everyday thing," says Gardner, now 24. "I believe it is very addictive, especially for people with addictive personalities."

Millions of baby boomers might disagree. After all, they smoked marijuana — the country's most popular illicit drug — in their youth and quit with little effort.

But studies have shown that when regular pot smokers quit, they do experience withdrawal symptoms, a characteristic used to predict addictiveness. Most users of more addictive drugs, such as cocaine or heroin, started with marijuana, scientists say, and the earlier they started, the greater their risk of becoming addicted.

Many studies have documented a link between smoking marijuana and the later use of "harder" drugs such as heroin and cocaine, but that doesn't necessarily mean marijuana causes addiction to harder drugs.

"Is marijuana a gateway drug? That question has been debated since the time I was in college in the 1960s and is still being debated today," says Harvard University psychiatrist Harrison Pope, director of the Biological Psychiatry Laboratory at Boston's McLean Hospital. "There's just no way scientifically to end that argument one way or the other."

That's because it's impossible to separate marijuana from the environment in which it is smoked, short of randomly assigning people to either smoke pot or abstain — a trial that would be grossly unethical to conduct.

"I would bet you that people who start smoking marijuana earlier are more likely to get into using other drugs," Pope says. Perhaps people who are predisposed to using a variety of drugs start smoking marijuana earlier than others do, he says.

Besides alcohol, often the first drug adolescents abuse, marijuana may simply be the most accessible and least scary choice for a novice susceptible to drug addiction, says Virginia Tech psychologist Bob Stephens.

No matter which side you take in the debate over whether marijuana is a "gateway" to other illicit drugs, you can't argue with "indisputable data" showing that smoking pot affects neuropsychological functioning, such as hand-eye coordination, reaction time and memory, says H. Westley Clark, director of the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment at the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration.

Adolescents have the greatest rates of marijuana use, and they also have the greatest amount to lose by using marijuana, scientists say.

"Adolescence is about risk-taking, experimentation," says Yasmin Hurd, professor of psychiatry, pharmacology and biological chemistry at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York who last summer published a rat study that found early exposure to THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, led to a greater sensitivity to heroin in adulthood.

"All of the studies clearly show the earlier someone starts taking marijuana, the greater their vulnerability to addiction disorders and psychiatric disorders. I'm so shocked still that so many parents are not considering enough the dangers of early drug use."


Use is more common

Marijuana use by adolescents in the USA declined slightly from 2005 to 2006, but it's still more common than it was 15 years ago, according to "Monitoring the Future," an ongoing study by the University of Michigan that tracks people from the eighth grade through young adulthood. It's paid for by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, or NIDA, part of the National Institutes of Health.

In 2006, 11.7% of eighth-graders said they had used marijuana during the past year, compared with 6.2% of eighth-graders in 1991. Among 12th-graders, 31.5% said they had used marijuana in the previous year; in 1991, 23.9% said they had.

"You are at school, and your main job as an adolescent is to learn and memorize," NIDA director Nora Volkow says. But if you keep becoming intoxicated by smoking marijuana, she says, you'll fall further and further behind in your studies. "How are you going to catch up?"

In a study comparing heavy marijuana users with people who'd had minimal exposure to the drug, Pope found that the former had lower verbal IQ scores than the latter. In a 2003 paper, he and his co-authors postulated three potential reasons: innate differences between the groups in cognitive ability that predated first marijuana use, an actual toxic effect of marijuana on the developing brain or poorer learning of conventional cognitive skills by young marijuana users who skipped school.


Wasted years

By the time Gardner was a junior, he started skipping high school regularly to smoke pot. "I would always find somebody who wasn't at school that day and get high with them," he says. Gardner says he missed 50 days in the first semester of his senior year. His parents discovered his stash of marijuana and sent him to a psychiatrist. His grades plummeted; his college plans evaporated.

When he was 16 or 17, Gardner says, he was charged at least twice with possession of marijuana and underage possession of alcohol. The court sent him to a three-month outpatient treatment program. He attended weekly sessions and underwent urine checks.

But it didn't stick. He celebrated the end of the program by getting high on pot and alcohol. By 18, "I was pretty heavy into cocaine," Gardner says. Crystal meth and intravenous heroin followed.

"I was always looking for the ultimate high. It was like a constant search, and I never found it. … By the end, it was a living hell for me."

Finally, Gardner says, his parents persuaded him to enter an inpatient treatment program in Winchester, Va. They spoke from experience. When he was 8, Gardner says, his father stopped using drugs while in prison for possession. "My mom got clean while he was in prison."

Gardner says he has been off drugs and alcohol for 14 months. He works in a Winchester factory that makes patio decking. He graduated high school because a teacher took pity on him and let him try to make up the work he had missed. More than six years after graduating, Gardner hopes to go to college to study psychology.

Research shows marijuana users are significantly less satisfied with the quality of their lives than non-users, a revelation "as telling as any very fancy story of molecules," Volkow says.

Yet, she says, "I think there is a general sense that marijuana is a relatively benign drug and does not produce addiction." Although over the past decade, "research clearly has provided unequivocal evidence that … some people can become addicted to marijuana."

Stephens has conducted seven large treatment studies of marijuana dependence, or addiction. "There's never any shortage of people who meet this definition," says Stephens, who edited the 2006 book Cannabis Dependence.


Pot as predecessor


Pope has studied heavy marijuana users, whom he defines as having smoked pot at least 5,000 times, or once a day for nearly 14 years. On average, his subjects, ages 30 to 55, reported having smoked marijuana 20,000 times.

Pope required the volunteers to abstain from smoking pot for 28 days and used urine samples for confirmation.

"We had them rate various symptoms on a day-by-day basis," he says. "We were able to show there is a clear withdrawal syndrome."

His research found the most common symptom of marijuana withdrawal was irritability, followed by trouble sleeping and loss of appetite. Symptoms began to subside after a week and disappeared by the end of two weeks.

"We've had some people in our study who reported quite a lot of craving. They were quite miserable not being allowed to smoke marijuana," Pope says, although "certainly, one does not see craving even remotely to the degree you would … with heroin or alcohol or cocaine."

Marijuana today is more potent and therefore more toxic than marijuana grown in the 1970s, Volkow says. Back then, she says, plants typically contained only 2% THC. Today, she says, marijuana plants typically contain 15% THC.

Even if today's marijuana is more potent, Stephens says, he's not convinced that makes a difference.

"The evidence of its increased potency is overrated," he says. Samples of marijuana grown in the 1970s might have appeared to be less potent than they actually were because they weren't fresh when tested. And, Stephens speculates, marijuana users might just smoke more of less-potent pot, and vice versa.


A family problem

Rachel Kinsey says drug addiction runs in her mother's family, although not in her immediate family. Kinsey, 24, started drinking alcohol at 14 and smoking marijuana at 15 — "definitely a predecessor for everything else I used." She began using Ecstasy and cocaine at 17, then heroin at 18.

"I did graduate high school, and I went off to college, but I withdrew after a month," says Kinsey, of Richmond, Va. She used the diagnosis of mononucleosis she'd received the week before college as an excuse.

"I don't think I was ready for the responsibility, and I wanted to continue to use while I was in college. I was at the point where I just didn't care about college. I was already using heroin."

She moved in with her boyfriend and his father, both of whom used heroin. At 19, she got pregnant. She moved back in with her mother, substituted methadone for heroin and gave the baby up for adoption. Practically as soon as she delivered, she was back to using heroin.

About five months after her son was born in May 2003, Kinsey entered inpatient addiction treatment. During the 30-day program, she became involved with a man who went back to using cocaine after ending treatment. Kinsey says she didn't want to go back to using cocaine or heroin, "but for some reason I thought it was OK to drink and go back to smoking weed."

When she turned 21 in fall 2003, "it was off to the races. For some reason, I felt (turning 21) gave me the right to drink if I wanted to."

From January to August 2004, Kinsey says, she was charged three times with driving under the influence of alcohol and marijuana.


'Not worth the risk'

With the help of another stay at a treatment center, Kinsey hasn't used drugs or alcohol since Aug. 25, 2004, the day after her last DUI arrest. She's halfway toward graduating from nursing school and works as a nurse tech in a hospital. For the first time, she has signed a lease on an apartment and pays rent.

She can't drive until September 2008 and then only to work, to school and to 12-step meetings.

If she had to do it all over again, she says, she never would have started smoking marijuana.

"You never know where it's going to lead you," she says. "You don't know that you're not going to become an addict, so it's not worth the risk."
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:14 pm


I couldn't read it all, because its kind of long, but in the begining, with marajuana being a gate-way drug to other drugs, I kinda don't like hearing that.

if people start with pot, its because its cheap. $5 can buy you a lot of pot, and people with the addictive sort of personality would definetly keep buying pot. I really don't think its the drug, it's the person.

Also, marajuana isn't addictive. The most addictive part is the high. When you compare it to something that is really addictive, like cigarettes, its easy to tell you can't really get addicted to pot.

My example is this: I smoked cigs the other day (I was kind of too drunk to know better, which is a pretty sad excuse), and they were absolutally disgusting. I hated every hit I took of that s**t, but I ended up smoking 4 or 5, and no matter how much I hate it, I still feel like I need to finish the entire pack. I've smoked pot before too, and as much as I love being high, not having pot in my system I am perfectally fine, I don't feel an intense need to smoke pot (wheter or not I want to be high is a different story, thats not being addicted to the pot, its being addicted to the high).

sorry if that kinda doesn't make sense, its like, 12:15, and I'm pretty out of it >.<;;

HonestlyDisturbed


Tormenter_of_Souls

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:47 pm


Wow...well I know if ******** my life up. I was also doing nas at the time so that didnt help.
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 8:58 pm


Tormenter_of_Souls
Wow...well I know if ******** my life up. I was also doing nas at the time so that didnt help.

Just curious, but in what way?

Deadnoise


Tormenter_of_Souls

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:43 pm


Deadnoise
Tormenter_of_Souls
Wow...well I know if ******** my life up. I was also doing nas at the time so that didnt help.

Just curious, but in what way?


Well a few ways. I was always broke, I lost all trust with everyone because I would steal with them. I couldnt stop smoking. Then I almosted died when my friends had me smoke 3 buds of Purple haze and huff some computer cleaner. I was knocked out for 3 hours in the middle of an ally and my so called friends ditched me leaving me for dead.
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:04 pm


Tormenter_of_Souls
Deadnoise
Tormenter_of_Souls
Wow...well I know if ******** my life up. I was also doing nas at the time so that didnt help.

Just curious, but in what way?


Well a few ways. I was always broke, I lost all trust with everyone because I would steal with them. I couldnt stop smoking. Then I almosted died when my friends had me smoke 3 buds of Purple haze and huff some computer cleaner. I was knocked out for 3 hours in the middle of an ally and my so called friends ditched me leaving me for dead.

Oh wow.
That sucks.
Inhalents are extremely bad for you.

Deadnoise


x Au x Revior x

PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:44 am


This whole article kinda makes me laugh. I've been smoking pot since December of 2005, and I don't think I'm addicted. I've gone through periods where I haven't wanted to smoke, and I've gone through periods where I didn't have the means to smoke and I was just fine. The only time I've ever had a "craving" for pot was when I was seriously stressed and I knew that if I got high I would calm down and forget about the problem for a little bit. (Mind you I knew that getting high wouldn't solve the problem, it was just giving me a break for a little bit.) And as for it being a gateway drug....I don't believe that either. I am completely and totally against all other drugs. I've been slipped laced weed before and that's as close as I've gotten to any other drug. I've never even seen any other drug with my own two eyes. I've actually told my best friend of 6 years that I didn't want anything to do with her anymore because she started snorting coke and dropping acid, and since I said that I haven't spoken to her.

neutral So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think this is a load of crap.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:14 am


Marijuana still isn't GOOD for you, regardless of whether it's addictive or NOT.

It is STILL linked to long-term memory and concentration problems, and is very bad and permanently damaging to a baby if you're smoking while pregnant.
It can be the difference in your child's grades in school for their entire life.
And after I wrote that, I just saw that the person above me has a pregnancy ticker in her signature.

Good luck with your child.

So, knock the article all you want. Drugs are a teenage thing, and once you grow up, you stop them, if you're smart.
If you're a mother or will be soon, you should have gotten smart when you found out you were pregnant.

Savina


x Au x Revior x

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:22 pm


For Savina:

The only reason I didn't quit smoking when I found out I was pregnant.


From: Erowid


Quote:
Marijuana Myths, Claim No. 7


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CLAIM #7:
MARIJUANA USE DURING PREGNANCY HARMS THE FETUS

A powerful accusation in anti-drug campaigns is that children are permanently harmed by their mothers' use of drugs during pregnancy. Today, it is commonly claimed that marijuana is a cause of birth defects and development deficits.

THE FACTS

A number of studies claimed reported low birth weight and physical abnormalities among babies exposed to marijuana in utero. 43 However, when other factors known to affect pregnancy outcomes were controlled for - for example, maternal age, socioeconomic class, and alcohol and tobacco use - the association between marijuana use and adverse fetal effects disappeared. 44

Numerous other studies have failed to find negative impacts from marijuana exposure. 45 However, when negative outcomes are found, they tend to be widely publicized, regardless of the quality of the study.

It is now often claimed that marijuana use during pregnancy causes childhood leukemia. The basis for this claim is one study, in which . 5% of the mothers of leukemic children admitted to using marijuana prior to or during pregnancy. A "control group" of mothers with normal children was then created and questioned by telephone about previous drug use. Their reported .5 % marijuana use-rate was used to calculate a 10-fold greater risk of leukemia for children born to marijuana users. 46 Given national surveys showing marijuana prevalence rates of at least 10%, these "control group" mothers almost certainly under-reported their drug use to strangers on the telephone.
Also used as evidence of marijuana-induced fetal harm are two longitudinal studies, in which the children of marijuana users were examined repeatedly. However, on closer examination, the effects of marijuana appear to be quite minimal, if existent at all.
After finding a slight deficit in visual responsiveness among marijuana-exposed newborns, no differences were found at six months, 12 months, 18 months, or 24 months. 47 At age 3, the only difference (after controlling for confounding variables) was that children of "moderate" smokers had superior psycho-motor skills. At age 4, children of "heavy" marijuana users (averaging 18.7 joints/week) had lower scores on one subscale of one standardized test of verbal development. 48 At age 6, these same children scored lower on one computerized task - that measuring "vigilance." On dozens of others scales and subscales, no differences were ever found. 49
In another study, standardized IQ tests were administered to marijuana-exposed and unexposed three year-olds. Researchers found no differences in the overall scores. However, by dividing the sample by race, they found - among African-American children only - lower scores on one subscale for those exposed during the first trimester and lower scores on a different subscale for those exposed during the second trimester. 50

Although it is sensible to advise pregnant women to abstain from using most drugs - including marijuana - the weight of scientific evidence indicates that marijuana has few adverse consequences for the developing human fetus.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:57 am


That's the only reason you didn't quit?
Because of what ONE thing says?
Off of the MARIJUANA.COM website, that sells pipes, bongs, and other things that people use when they smoke weed? (Yes, that is where those are taken from.)
Do you really think a website that sells things for marijuana use is really going to have accurate reports on the health risks?

Besides, did you note, in the article YOU posted, that it talked about a difference noted in newborns, and also, for African American children, a lowered test results on 3 year olds?
First off, that source isn't credible. Second, it notes there is a difference. They claim it goes away, but seriously, I doubt it.

So, to point out some credible information, how about this:
Gerald Briggs, pharmacist clinical specialist

Smoking marijuana during pregnancy may affect your baby's growth and the development of his nervous system. Studies have shown that children who were exposed to marijuana during pregnancy sometimes have problems focusing their attention and solving problems.

Children of heavy pot users may also have problems with short-term memory, concentration, and judgment. (There's no evidence so far, however, that marijuana use during pregnancy causes attention deficit hyperactivity disorder).

One study even found that young children whose mothers smoked marijuana during pregnancy had a higher risk of leukemia than those whose mothers did not.

What's more, there's no way to know if the pot you're smoking has been laced with other drugs (such as PCP) or contaminated with pesticides, which would put your baby at even higher risk. And using marijuana increases the chance that your baby will have birth defects if you're also drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco.

If you smoked pot before you realized you were pregnant, don't panic. The chance that your baby has been affected is very small. Still, it's important to be honest with your practitioner about your previous use of pot and other recreational drugs. She may want to run some extra tests to be sure your baby is developing normally.


Or this:
Marijuana can affect fetal and infant development and may cause miscarriage. Although the effects of marijuana on an unborn baby are still unknown, studies have indicated that prenatal marijuana use is linked to premature births, small birth size, difficult or long labor and an increase in newborn jitteriness.

Marijuana smoked by a pregnant woman remains in the baby's fat cells for seven to 30 days. Smoking marijuana can affect the amount of oxygen and nutrients the baby receives, which may affect growth. Marijuana is never safe during pregnancy and it can harm the baby at any stage. In addition, marijuana can have long-term effects on infants and children, such as having trouble paying attention or learning to read.


Or, how about ANY of these:
http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1169.asp
http://www.ucsfhealth.org/childrens/medical_services/preg/care/pregSubstance.html
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3543
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyhealth/illegaldrugs.html

Note that those are credible websites. They also don't promote the drug.
And I can keep going on and on with websites that say it IS bad for you.

ANY smoking is bad, because it cuts down on the oxygen supply in your brain and blood, which therefore cuts down on the oxygen supply to the baby, which can cause growth problems.


I'm sorry you chose to not do more research for your child's sake.

Savina


Savina

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:59 pm


I would also like to include this:

Currently there is only one state, South Carolina, who holds prenatal substance abuse as a criminal act of child abuse and neglect. Other states have laws that address prenatal substance abuse:

* Iowa, Minnesota and North Dakota's health care providers are required to report and test for prenatal drug exposure. Virginia health care providers are only required to test.

* Arizona, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Utah, and Rhode Island's health care providers are required to report prenatal drug exposure. Reporting and testing can be evidence used in child welfare proceedings.

* Some states consider prenatal substance abuse as part of their child welfare laws. Therefore prenatal drug exposure can provide grounds for terminating parental rights because of child abuse or neglect. These states include: Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia and Wisconsin.

* Some states have policies that enforce admission to an inpatient treatment program for pregnant women who use drugs. These states include: Minnesota, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

* In 2004, Texas made it a felony to smoke marijuana while pregnant, resulting in a prison sentence of 2-20 years.


So really, do you want to start off motherhood doing something illegal that could get your child taken away from you?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:58 pm


First off, I'd like to state that in your first reply post, you assumed that I was still smoking while pregnant. For all you know I could have quit; I never stated whether I had or not.


Secondly, Erowid is not the only website I checked before I picked the pipe back up. I spent weeks researching via the Internet and books at the library to check out all different aspects.


And thirdly, nice threat there. For your information I quit smoking shortly before I hit my third trimester because I was getting headaches. So no, my baby is NOT going to be taken away from me, thank you very much. Sorry to burst your bubble.

x Au x Revior x


Savina

PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:47 pm


Your first post said: I've been smoking pot since December of 2005, and I don't think I'm addicted.
That implies that you never stopped. Phrasing is important.

Second, the only websites I found that article on weren't credible.
The ones that say it's bad ARE credible.

And third, that wasn't a THREAT. Those are LAWS.
I was simply pointing out that plenty of states see it as child abuse, and I agree with those laws.
And if you got all the way to your 3rd trimester, the risk of damage is still really possible. And saying you only quit because of headaches is sad as well.

I have no bubble to burst, I don't WANT you to lose your baby. However, I was pointing out how your logic fails and you've made poor choices in the eyes of most of the country.
Your choice, your life. I only hope that you get lucky and your recklessness and bad choices haven't affected your baby.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:52 pm


I have a friend who smoked pot all through high school, swearing up and down that she could quit whenever she wanted and that it wasn't a gateway drug. Wrong. She moved back to Manitoba and got into E, heroin, cocaine, among other drugs. It took a long time for her to quit, and she wasn't even pregnant.

I realize everyone is different, and pot won't affect everyone the same way. However when you're pregnant, I fully believe that for the sake of your child, if not yourself, that the mother should stop smoking pot. To do otherwise is stupid, irresponsible and extremely selfish. A baby deserves better than that.

An excerpt from my college textbook "Child Behavior and Development", copyright 2003 Pearson Education Canada, about the effects of marijuana during pregnancy:


Quote:
"...Another illegal drug, marijuana, is used more widely than cocaine and heroin. Studies examining its relationship to low birth weight and prematurity reveal mixed findings (Fried, 1993). Several researchers have linked prenatal marijuana exposure to smaller head size (a measure of brain growth), newborn startle reactions, disturbed sleep, and inattention in infancy and childhood (Dahl et al., 1995; Fried, Watkinson, & Gray, 1999; Lester & Dreher, 1989). As with cocaine, however, long-term effects have not been established."

Nikolita
Captain


Orikami

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:33 am


I'm not really into marijuana. I've tried it a few times, but I just don't like it. Still, I have a pretty large group of friends that do. It's not good for you in general, but it goes the same way with alcohol and cigarettes. In many cases, the two latter can be even worse. Out of all of my friends, only one has gone on getting addicted to hard drugs, and three (out of about 10) have tried one of them about once. It really depends on the person. It's not something I approve at all, but there are many factors that should be taken in consideration. I've also heard of marijuana used medically, specially for epileptics, which tends to work (and be much more natural than most remedies they're given).
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