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Enter My Hatred

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:53 am


Ok, so this is what I was invited to the Guild to talk about, so I thought I should get straight into it.

What it is all based on are the philosophy's of the Jedis and Sith.
Quote:

There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the Force.


Ok, so that's the Jedi code. I used to be a Jedi myself, until I conveted to become a Sith. What the code describes is basically that a Jedi is utterly self-less and feels no emotion what-so ever in "fear"* of clouding their judgement. (*note: a but it in averted commas because fear is an emotion.) The "peace" it describes is about within the Jedis mind, same again with "serenity".


Quote:

Fear leads to anger.
Anger leads to hate.
Hatred leads to power.
Power leads to victory.
Let your anger flow through you.
Your hate will make you strong.
True power is only achieved through
testing the limits of one's anger,
passing through unscathed.
Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.
The dark side of the Force
offers unimaginable power.
The dark side is stronger than the light.
The weak deserve their fate.
–tenets of Sith philosophy


Now, this is what I find to be interesting. They are polar opposite of the Jedi's, as you can see. Unlike the Jedi, they do not suppress their emotions. They take it and use it to their advantages. It is a quite a common mistake, esspecially by Jedi's, that their emotion "clouds their jugdement. Which, I find to be rather ignorant, which is against the Jedi Code (One must respect their enemy to avvoide ignorance.).
Ok, so here is the Sith Code:

Quote:
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.


This reveils that infact, they do upon to others what they do to them. For, fear, anger and hatred do not spin themselves out of nothing. It reveals Sith to be shunt and oppressed but no longer shall they take it. They use everything their enemy gives them and returns it. Not the "Sadistic for the hell of it" kind.

I shall now address the issue of the force. It is all down to the person in how they interrpret what the force is or is not. Here are several theories:
1) The Force is pure fiction.
2) The Force is not what it is portayed to be but the strange force that seems to loom over Humanity.
3) The Force is another term for "Dark Matter" seeing as it "binds us together" which atually may have the potential to be "tapped" into which may explain "healing spots" and "Psykics"
4) It is the Spirit of everything and when it's vessel dies it rejoins up with the collective. (Notice the similarity between that and the idea of "Gaia")
4) The full blown out "Star Wars" type.

I am sure there are more theories on the subject, but those are the ones that spring to mind. So, I hope you have learned something from this.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:41 am


First, the Jedi do not 'surpress' their emotions, per say, they control and channel them in such a manner as to generate peace instead of harm; that's what the phrase means. Supression of emotions does not lead to peace but destroys you from the inside out. No Jedi could simply surpress their emotions and maintain serenity or peace. The Sith, on the other hand, do not control or channel their emotions in a way that always promotes peace; they let the emotions simply flow as they will, even if that harms things around them. With that lack of tempering, the emotional power is raw and strong. The strength of emotions, untempered, is valued here.

Your passage also doesn't really deal with the Force it deals with ethical codes. The concept of the Force is intrinsically religious and has strong echoes of Pantheism to it.

Starlock
Vice Captain


A Murder of Angels
Captain

PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:02 pm


I'm interested in knowing how real life Jedis and Siths view George Lucas. Is he a prophet to them, since he "raised awareness" of this form of philosophy, or is he considered something else to the religion?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:31 pm


A Murder of Angels
I'm interested in knowing how real life Jedis and Siths view George Lucas. Is he a prophet to them, since he "raised awareness" of this form of philosophy, or is he considered something else to the religion?


From the standpoint of the Jedi Order Guild here (which I'm part of), no, we don't see Lucas as any sort of prophet. whee

Starlock
Vice Captain


Enter My Hatred

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:47 pm


A Murder of Angels
I'm interested in knowing how real life Jedis and Siths view George Lucas. Is he a prophet to them, since he "raised awareness" of this form of philosophy, or is he considered something else to the religion?

Not at all. And for all your knowledge I have converted a Jedi to Sith cause I am cool like that.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:38 pm


I never thought of this as an actual religion.
Interesting.

Fae_Knight


A Murder of Angels
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:15 pm


Fae_Knight
I never thought of this as an actual religion.
Interesting.


It's only really grown in popularity since the UK's 2001 census, when over 390,000 Star Wars fans entered "Jedi" on their census form as a joke that it would have been ranked the 6th largest religion in England. That is, if parliament hadn't ruled it out as a joke.

But since then, it's grown quite a following, and a serious one too, I might add.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:04 am


That is one strange way for a religion to appear.

Fae_Knight


Leia Looking Beyond

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:18 am


I am not sure if Jedi already a religion... for me it seems more like a belief system or philosophy... but are there jedi ceremonies? Rituals etc, so that it really can be considered a religion?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:44 pm


The Sith philosophy seems very similar to Dr. LaVey's philosophy.

Fae_Knight


Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:55 pm


oboleia
I am not sure if Jedi already a religion... for me it seems more like a belief system or philosophy... but are there jedi ceremonies? Rituals etc, so that it really can be considered a religion?


Depends on how you define a religion. A religion is a belief system and a philosophy and arguably any belief system or philosophy may be religious. Personally, my religion is something aside from the Jedi path. I only reluctantly self-identify as a Jedi, however, as the Jedi aspect is really contained within my religious structure anyway.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:16 pm


Starlock
oboleia
I am not sure if Jedi already a religion... for me it seems more like a belief system or philosophy... but are there jedi ceremonies? Rituals etc, so that it really can be considered a religion?


Depends on how you define a religion. A religion is a belief system and a philosophy and arguably any belief system or philosophy may be religious. Personally, my religion is something aside from the Jedi path. I only reluctantly self-identify as a Jedi, however, as the Jedi aspect is really contained within my religious structure anyway.


Interesting... ok what I know from the starwars film about Jedi it seems possible to integrate the ideas into otherbeliefs and religions. The definition of religion is quite a hard one and I think will always be disscussable. I personally find that there also have to be rituals, that's why I asked if there are jedi ceremonies taking place....
Anyway here is how Wikipedia defines religion...

Leia Looking Beyond


Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:02 am


The basic ideals of the Jedi can actually be found in pretty much all the world's religions. The foundation is simply treating people well and being at peace with yourself, others, the world around you.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:48 am


Ritual comes in many sizes.

Some religions don't even require ritual and tend to avoid it.
Traditional Witchcraft has almost no ritual.
Wicca is full of ritual.

For me it depends.

Fae_Knight


c r o i s

Hygienic Gaian

PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:49 pm


Woah. I never knew it was an ACTUAL religion. That's interesting. smile
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