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 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:49 am
Not relate to abortion, but a topic of interest for some people, perhaps. Canada is now the fourth country in the world to officially sanction gay marriage. If you're against gay marriage and feel like stating your opinion on it in here, well, be prepared to debate me on it.
]http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1119954631626_33?hub=topstories
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:11 am
yay for canada! I think spain will vote on it tomorrow and is likely to pass.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:19 am
karllikespies yay for canada! I think spain will vote on it tomorrow and is likely to pass.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:44 am
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:55 am
Well speaking as someone from the US...
I understand full well that we do not live in a Theocracy and what other people want to do in the bedroom is their own business. It's not the lifestyle I opt to lead. I don't really agree with it. But I'm not about to treat people like crap because of it, which in my mind is far worse. My uncle was once shot at because someone assumed he was gay. He was hugging his college roommate goodbye. But the fact remains that the reason why he was shot at was because "he was gay".
Having legal rights is one thing. But the religions should still be able to follow their own traditions without government interference, which is a possible result. Not a definate one, but a possible one if the laws are written carelessly.
Personally I think it would be a great thing if legal and religious ceremonies were two completely different things. Right now religious ceremonies are, for the most part, legally binding. With all this talk about keeping the Church out of the State...let's take a little State out of the Church. Yes it may be an inconcenvenience to get married twice but in some cases it's a neccessity anyway. My cousin married a German citizen. In order for her to enter the country as his wife, they had to be married by a justice of the peace. A few months later they had the religious ceremony in Germany.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:59 am
SPAIN? Are you talking Religious Spain or the backwater parts of Spain i'm unaware of? WOW, Europe is one amazing continent...
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:08 am
kp606 SPAIN? Are you talking Religious Spain or the backwater parts of Spain i'm unaware of? WOW, Europe is one amazing continent... The only Spain there is, apparently the catholic church is VERY upset, since like 94 percent of Spain is catholic. They are afraid if Spain passes gay marriage, that Italy and Latin America might follow suit. It also shows a decline in catholic control, where the majority of people in a predominately catholic country favor full gay marriage. *Update spain has legalized gay marriage http://www.christiantoday.com/news/europe/spain.becomes.third.eu.country.to.legalise.gay.marriages/518.htm
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:55 pm
Cyanna Personally I think it would be a great thing if legal and religious ceremonies were two completely different things. Right now religious ceremonies are, for the most part, legally binding. With all this talk about keeping the Church out of the State...let's take a little State out of the Church. Yes it may be an inconcenvenience to get married twice but in some cases it's a neccessity anyway. My cousin married a German citizen. In order for her to enter the country as his wife, they had to be married by a justice of the peace. A few months later they had the religious ceremony in Germany. Really you have a good point, but it isn't the state in the church issue. Anyone can register to be able to legally bind people in marrage. A church leader isn't automatically given the right to marry people, they have to register with the government to do it, and even then they can not give out a certificate unless the couple being married go get one from the courthouse first. Now, the real problem is that our current commander and chief is ignoring the fact that everyone has the right to a legally binding union, and only thinking of his own religios beliefs to make the laws. so really... perhaps we need a little less church in the president...
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:47 am
I'm so damn glad that it's finally official. Of course, it was already kind of legal everywhere, because provinces spearheaded their own initiatives, but now they're going to be making it legal in the Territories, and Alberta. I'm especially glad about Alberta, because those guys were really resisting it.
quote from Alberta MP: "This is just a continuation of the moral degradation that began with homosexuality being decriminalized in the 60's." Of course, I'm kind of paraphrasing, but it's been a long and hard fight to get here.
Trudeau definitely helped us in the 60s, and other parties since then have helped us.
The only kind of shitty thing is, is that if Harper becomes PM, he plans to re-examine the bill. And by re-examine, you know he means trash. And he also wants it to be put to a free vote.
Yeah. Sure.
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:05 pm
Wir3dLain Cyanna Personally I think it would be a great thing if legal and religious ceremonies were two completely different things. Right now religious ceremonies are, for the most part, legally binding. With all this talk about keeping the Church out of the State...let's take a little State out of the Church. Yes it may be an inconcenvenience to get married twice but in some cases it's a neccessity anyway. My cousin married a German citizen. In order for her to enter the country as his wife, they had to be married by a justice of the peace. A few months later they had the religious ceremony in Germany. Really you have a good point, but it isn't the state in the church issue. Anyone can register to be able to legally bind people in marrage. A church leader isn't automatically given the right to marry people, they have to register with the government to do it, and even then they can not give out a certificate unless the couple being married go get one from the courthouse first. Now, the real problem is that our current commander and chief is ignoring the fact that everyone has the right to a legally binding union, and only thinking of his own religios beliefs to make the laws. so really... perhaps we need a little less church in the president... The major problem is that alot of people wont to force their beleifs on everybody else. Its not someones place to say that another persons beleifs are wrong because in th end no body knows whats truely right or wrong exept what they apply to themselves ( alot of people look at the law as something that determens whats wright and wrong but all the law says is that you will be punished for doing this wether its wright or wrong i dont care). And in the presedants speech , he lied out right when he said that marraige is deffined as a man and a woman in the constatution. ( ive taken 4 years of constitutional law and it never even mentions marriage once, also the "commander and chef" is an idiot Let's face it: A man who cannot talk about education without making a humiliating grammatical mistake ("The illiteracy level of our children are appalling"); who cannot keep straight the three branches of government ("It's the executive branch's job to interpret law"); who coins ridiculous words such as sad "Hispanos," "arbolist," "subliminable," "resignate," "transformationed"); who habitually says the opposite of what he intends ("the death tax is good for people from all walks of life!") sounds like a grade-A imbecile.) Im am sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings , this is simply my beleif.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:08 am
o.O I have to wonder why I was just argued with...
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:03 pm
Wir3dLain o.O I have to wonder why I was just argued with...
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:41 pm
toxic_lollipop Wir3dLain o.O I have to wonder why I was just argued with... Im sorry that it came across as arguing with you , i was trying to support what you said sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:28 am
Mcphee I'm so damn glad that it's finally official.. Is it *official* official yet? I heard the official vote hadn't taken place yet, but considering that I live in the southern U.S. (not by choice) I may have missed it. Yet another reason for my moving to Canada. The anti-gay people appear to be much more marginalized and treated like the crazy extremists they are there than in the U.S. Someday I'll move to Vancouver and meet the girl of my dreams! 4laugh
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:36 pm
La Veuve Zin Mcphee I'm so damn glad that it's finally official.. Is it *official* official yet? I heard the official vote hadn't taken place yet, but considering that I live in the southern U.S. (not by choice) I may have missed it. Yet another reason for my moving to Canada. The anti-gay people appear to be much more marginalized and treated like the crazy extremists they are there than in the U.S. Someday I'll move to Vancouver and meet the girl of my dreams! 4laugh
Not official enough that they're listing us as the third country to legalize gay marriage.
They're giving that title to Spain, actually.
But, yes... It might as well be official.
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