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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:15 pm


Apparently, in Massachusetts.

I found this today on feministing.com, then went to the original news article. That is what I have posted.

Zack Church & Jim Patton of the Eagle Tribune
Confusion, fear led to failed abortion attempt


LAWRENCE, Mass. —

Amber Abreu knew she was pregnant.

A test came back negative, but she felt something moving in her stomach. Her period had not come since September. Now it was almost Christmas.
An abortion was out of the question. Abreu, 18, had done that once already. She couldn’t ask her mother to pay for that again. Her mother, a Venezuelan immigrant who wanted so much for her children, would be devastated.
Distraught, Abreu turned to a friend who gave her three Cytotec pills. She took the ulcer medication pills to abort her baby, but instead gave birth to a 11/4-pound baby girl Jan. 6. Baby Ashley died four days later.
According to a 15-page report filed by the state’s Department of Social Services, that is the story Abreu told investigators while her baby fought for life. And while Abreu stood in Lawrence District Court yesterday to face a charge of procuring a miscarriage, she learned she could soon face a charge of homicide.
In court, she stood in shackles and was mute and expressionless beside her lawyer. The night before, police said she had cried to investigators, “I killed my baby.”
Assistant District Attorney Jessica Strasnick said the state’s medical examiner’s office is inclined to look at the baby’s death as a homicide. Those three pills were misoprostol, known by its brand name, Cytotec. It is used to prevent ulcers but also induces labor and is a component of the abortion drug RU-486.
Outside the courtroom, Anna Rosario, who identified herself as Amber Abreu’s aunt, told reporters through an interpreter that Abreu’s mother had left for the Dominican Republic earlier Tuesday, before Abreu was arrested.
Rosario said she was upset and does not know what happened. She said Abreu’s mother was surprised to learn of the arrest.
The DSS report that details interviews with Abreu, her mother, Martiza Rosario, and hospital officials in Boston tells the heartbreaking story of a young women terrified by her pregnancy and unaware of the help and support, both from the state and her family, available to her.
Abreu first met with investigators on Jan. 7, one day after giving birth and promptly walking out of Lawrence General Hospital, despite the protests of doctors.
That afternoon, fresh from a shower and seated in her clean, well-furnished home, Abreu first gave two female investigators the cold shoulder. For 30 minutes, she buried her face in her hands, appearing “nonchalant,” according to a report.
Then, Abreu told her story. Menstruation stopped in September. In November, she took a pregnancy test, unbeknownst to anyone. That came back negative.
But her mother noticed a change. Abreu lost interest in school and “only wanted to sleep,” Rosario told investigators. Concerned, Rosario asked her daughter if she was pregnant. The answer was no.
Abreu had been pregnant before. Last March, her mother took her to Methuen for an abortion. That cost about $200, Abreu told investigators. Not wanting to anger her mother, Abreu concealed the second pregnancy from her.
Rosario told investigators that she felt responsible for what her daughter did. She had put pressure on her to succeed at Northern Essex Community College, telling her that she would “do great things,” Rosario told investigators.
But Rosario also said she would never turn her back on her daughter. Had she known about the pregnancy, mother and daughter would have “worked it out somehow,” she told investigators.
Abreu never told the baby’s father, a Fitchburg man, that she was pregnant. The couple broke up late last year and the father left for the Dominican Republic. Abreu told investigators that was because he had impregnated other women, one a 13-year-old girl.
Crushed by the break-up, Abreu decided she didn’t want her baby and didn’t want her mother to care for her either. The baby would remind her too much of the father, Abreu told investigators. She did not contact social service workers or community organizations. She had learned nothing about birth control or what to do if she became pregnant again. She received no prenatal care. She took the Cytotec.
Investigators persuaded Abreu to visit her daughter in Boston. She took a train down on Jan. 8, just hours after learning that the state Department of Social Services was taking legal custody of Ashley. Abreu spent the night at the hospital, leaving by 8 a.m.
While at the hospital, Abreu did not sign a birth certificate. It was only after Ashley died on Jan. 10 that Abreu legally named her and signed the certificate.
Abreu was being held last night on $15,000 cash bail. She is due back in court Feb. 25 for a probable cause hearing.

I sense turmoil on the horizon.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:23 pm


How can she be charged with homicide for actions done before the victim obtained legal personhood?

I smell Bull s**t here.

'Lest we start charging pregnant women with child neglect for smoking during pregnancy, or start jailing them for homicide if their pre-mature infant dies because of smoking/diet related complication.

Talon-chan


Trite~Elegy

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:58 pm


Talon-chan
How can she be charged with homicide for actions done before the victim obtained legal personhood?

I smell Bull s**t here.

'Lest we start charging pregnant women with child neglect for smoking during pregnancy, or start jailing them for homicide if their pre-mature infant dies because of smoking/diet related complication.



QFE.

also, since the kid doesn't have personhood - how can they charge the woman for taking a drug that might have or had not (yes I know it does) caused the misscarriage when it was say, intended for the health of the mother?
can't she just say that she took it for her ulcers? (she sure might have had some from all the stress)
and what if some woman actually takes a said like pill, and ends up accidentally causing a misscarriage?

Has it now gone to the point that taking any medication that a woman may need for her health but may be bad for the feti been overidden (aka, it only matters about the feti's health, not the mothers)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:09 pm


I was pleased to notice a lot of sympathy towards the young woman in this article. Very refreshing!

This story emphasizes the importance of abortion access. Without access, rights are worthless. (Why do you think the antichoice protestors try to shut down clinics?) When you can't afford an abortion, you are forced to carry the pregnancy to term. So choice and bodily autonomy really don't exist for poor women and minors in states with parental consent laws. And that needs to change.

PhaedraMcSpiffy


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:29 pm


poor girl. sad

like Trite said, what if a woman who doesn't know she's pregnant takes this medication and it causes a miscarriage? are they going to treat that as manslaughter now? this gets a big 'ole WTFBBQ?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:46 pm


it surprises me that she's being charged to heavily, but not that inducing a miscarriage is illegal.
i thought illegal abortions were always ILLEGAL.

Jazzberry


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:33 am


For the anti-choice "omg why did the slut have unprotected sex" knee-jerk reactions:

Quote:
She had learned nothing about birth control or what to do if she became pregnant again.

A failure of the system to provide abortion access, but to also to educate. It says her mother is a Venuzuelan immigrant, and most Latin American countries lack proper family planning policies. If she wasn't being informed in school, she probably wasn't being informed by her mother either.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:02 pm


Jazzberry
it surprises me that she's being charged to heavily, but not that inducing a miscarriage is illegal.
i thought illegal abortions were always ILLEGAL.


I think the most they could charge her with is illegal abortion... if she took the medication after the point where abortion was legal.

They would also have to prove that she knew that the pills would 100% end the pregnancy. If I got pills that weren't specificially for abortion and took them, I know I'd be skeptical.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:05 pm


Trite~Elegy
Talon-chan
How can she be charged with homicide for actions done before the victim obtained legal personhood?

I smell Bull s**t here.

'Lest we start charging pregnant women with child neglect for smoking during pregnancy, or start jailing them for homicide if their pre-mature infant dies because of smoking/diet related complication.



QFE.

also, since the kid doesn't have personhood - how can they charge the woman for taking a drug that might have or had not (yes I know it does) caused the misscarriage when it was say, intended for the health of the mother?
can't she just say that she took it for her ulcers? (she sure might have had some from all the stress)
and what if some woman actually takes a said like pill, and ends up accidentally causing a misscarriage?

Has it now gone to the point that taking any medication that a woman may need for her health but may be bad for the feti been overidden (aka, it only matters about the feti's health, not the mothers)



That reminds me of my mother's pregnancy. I wasn't planned at the moment. My parents had been trying, had a miscarriage, gave up, started trying again,and after they gave up a second time, I was conceived. She was diagnosed with pre-eclampsia, told she was at risk for seizures during her pregnancy, and medicated. There was a chance that I would be born hyperactive or mentally disabled because of this medication. She took it anyway, because she felt it was more important for a child to have a mother, and a healthy one at that. I turned out fine, thankfully, and my mother suffered no permanent damage from the pregnancy or medication. The worst I've got that could POTENTIALLY be chalked up to the meds is an irregular heartbeat, but that's hereditary from my father's side.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:36 pm


I feel so bad for this girl. She clearly had little to NO education about pregnancy or how to prevent it! Now she's being charged with a serious offense and I'm sure she's completely shocked as to how to deal with it. I wouldn't think they'd be able to charge her with that...especially since the pills were not made to cause an abortion/miscarriage-they were made for ulcers. Someone else made a really valid point regarding someone taking those pills for an ulcer and then having a miscarriage-would they charge her too?? I just really feel that this girl handled things badly but doesn't quite deserve the severity of what she's getting...but maybe that's just me? I can picture myself in her situation and it would be scary!! Not to mention the fact that she took a pregnancy test that came back negative and then suddenly she realizes she is pregnant! Gosh that's just a horrible situation...

Also, I was pretty sure that you couldn't be charged with homicide for a fetus that had not been legally identified as a person at the time the pills were taken...it's just like partial birth abortions (which I'm not such a fan of unless it's a LIFE or DEATH emergency) and in some places those are legal so unless it's illegal where she's at I don't see how they can charge her...

To me negligance would seem a more appropriate charge, if any!

[meg]


Freedom Fire

PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:27 pm


What? In my state??? s**t . . . I gotta help fix this.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:20 pm


Trite~Elegy
Has it now gone to the point that taking any medication that a woman may need for her health but may be bad for the feti been overidden (aka, it only matters about the feti's health, not the mothers)
The doctor of a friend of mine would not write her a prescription for pain medication when she had a serious knee injury. Why? Because it causes birth defects. Nevermind that she wasn't pregnant. Or planning to become pregnant. In fact, she's in a monogamous relationship and her boyfriend was in Iraq at the time.

So, yes. It has gotten to that point. scream

Prinsesse Maggie


Kalathma

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:56 pm


domokun This is one of the most arrogant things I think I have ever heard. Honestly, the girl had hardly any sex education. >< Granted, she should have told her mum but it had already happened once. That "child" wasn't even really a "child." It was in her womb for what, three-four months? talk2hand That's not a child, it's a piece of, pardon my saying, worthless flesh who just might grow into something a bit more useful.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:25 pm


I don't really have anything that hasn't already been said to add, but it bears repeating:

This girl doesn't need to be incarcerated; she needs to be educated! stressed

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Treacherous Desire

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:18 pm


WTF?
But...
Are abortions legal in that state?
If so ... isn't that sort of stupid?
So it's okay if you get it done medically, but if you knowingly do anything to miscarry, kaput?

That is incrediably stupid.
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