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 Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:22 pm
So...yeah, I just want to know what people have issues about and see if I can figure out what God wants........basically, I want to grow through other people's questions. Apparently, that's how I work. *shrugs* Soooooooo................anyone want to be the first???
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:10 pm
Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:13 pm
Lethkhar Can God create a rock that He cannot lift? ummm, I highly doubt it. But that's a very interesting quetion! lol
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:47 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Who cares? LOL, no, I think about these things sometimes too. I can't really offer an answer, but I can say that these questions are all limiting; not only that but they assume human limits on a limitless God. Asking these questions assumes that God can't do something, but isn't it just as likely to think that an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient God could do both the doable and the undoable simultaneously? It's a hard concept to wrap your head around, but why not? Since God is outside of time and really outside of "existence" as we know it (He exists, just not in the same way we do), putting God to these kinds of tests is really pointless. At least, that's how I see it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:01 pm
and doesn't it also say that we shouldn't test God? I can't remeber the passage, but I know it would be like trying to get the sun from not shining. It's pointless, and kind of idiotic. Not saying anyone is, just that testing God when we already have enough evidence seems, well, stupid. But that's just me.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:52 pm
Since when do you have enough evidence for anything?
If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:12 pm
kisa-chan9 and doesn't it also say that we shouldn't test God? I can't remeber the passage, but I know it would be like trying to get the sun from not shining. It's pointless, and kind of idiotic. Not saying anyone is, just that testing God when we already have enough evidence seems, well, stupid. But that's just me. Yeah, I believe it's the verse where Satan tempts Jesus, though there may be a few other verses which say the same thing.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:26 am
Lethkhar Since when do you have enough evidence for anything? If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent. Remember He is omnipotent in human standards, this is what we gather from our understanding. There is no possible way that we can answer those questions when we don't know the exact powers of God. This is where we have to be patient and trust in God through faith.
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:58 pm
Lithanus Lethkhar Since when do you have enough evidence for anything? If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent. Remember He is omnipotent in human standards, this is what we gather from our understanding. There is no possible way that we can answer those questions when we don't know the exact powers of God. This is where we have to be patient and trust in God through faith. So you have no evidence of your God and you base your beliefs completely on faith? Then you concede?
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:49 pm
Lethkhar Lithanus Lethkhar Since when do you have enough evidence for anything? If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent. Remember He is omnipotent in human standards, this is what we gather from our understanding. There is no possible way that we can answer those questions when we don't know the exact powers of God. This is where we have to be patient and trust in God through faith. So you have no evidence of your God and you base your beliefs completely on faith? Then you concede? Not entierly off faith, but a large part of Christianity is simply faith.
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:19 pm
Lethkhar Since when do you have enough evidence for anything? If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent. The Bible never says that G-d is omnipotent. The Bible says that G-d 'can do all things', meaning that He can do things that are a-logical or illogical.
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:48 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor Lethkhar Since when do you have enough evidence for anything? If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent. The Bible never says that G-d is omnipotent. The Bible says that G-d 'can do all things', meaning that He can do things that are a-logical or illogical. Could someone remind why there's pain, then? He could accomplish the exact same ends (Whatever the purpose of pain is) by there not being pain, right?
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:57 am
Lethkhar Lithanus Lethkhar Since when do you have enough evidence for anything? If God can't do anything, He's not omnipotent. Remember He is omnipotent in human standards, this is what we gather from our understanding. There is no possible way that we can answer those questions when we don't know the exact powers of God. This is where we have to be patient and trust in God through faith. So you have no evidence of your God and you base your beliefs completely on faith? Then you concede? Evidence is all around us, if you choose to accept it. Many things in the bible have been proven to coincide with history. Also, archaeological finds have discovered many old sites from stories in the bible. I was just stating the fact that we can't really say much about God's powers beyond what is in the bible and in our own experiences if we don't know His exact powers. Faith is to trust God about the things we don't know. As for the issue of pain, pain is something we brought upon our selves when we first sinned. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil, even after they were specifically told not to, they were punished with a curse. Sin and the pain that comes with it is one of the many curses humanity is now under. So when tragedy and pain occur, it's often a product of sin or the curse that we must endure. Something that is true about pain is that that it helps us learn from our mistakes and grow, maybe that is its purpose. The good news is that Jesus died so that we may free ourselves of sin, and overcome the pain from the curse if we choose to pick up our cross and follow Jesus.
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:35 pm
Lethkhar Could someone remind why there's pain, then? He could accomplish the exact same ends (Whatever the purpose of pain is) by there not being pain, right? Free will. G-d chooses to allow us to make our own mistakes in order to come to him of our own desires.
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:58 pm
Amen to all!! sorry about that....I just deeply agree with Cometh the Inquisitor and Lithanus. Good job guys! To further their points, why do parents spank or ground their children? To make them realize that what they did was bad, and not to do it in the future. Pain can be a very effective tool. God doesn't like it that He has to use it, but how else can we learn?
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