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Don't be pansies, just don't.

Compromise with the "enemy" is acceptable when they themselves are accepting. Take Talon. I respect Talon, I think Talon is an amazing young woman and despite the fact we disagree on everything remotely related to women, she has been respectful and realizes a pro-lifer is a person regardless.

Or at least I think. Anyhow:

Don't take a back seat to anyone by letting yourself be subject to their rude, unkind comments just in the pursuit of friendship and camaraderie. I used to believe in what the Bible had to say on issues like this: When they slap you on one cheek, turn your face and let them slap the other. In one respect, this shows the world how much the person you are discussing with is an idiot. But the problem is, the breed of Choicer on the internet is often so supported by their friends, their asinine behavior will only be supported, so you have to speak up, have to call a spade a spade, and you have to be direct in what you believe and say.

Person X (People X, like the type of sex they enjoy, yes I'm being facetious) are very asinine. They will deliberately make prejudice remarks against you. They will put you down. Title you untrue things, say untrue things about you, and so on and so forth.

The problem with many pro-lifers is that they let themselves be thrown around. Don't let yourself be thrown around. And I mean that.

To be honest, seeing certain people tell me that my attempt to c**k a public attitude against opposing members is unkind despite what i've been through is "wrong"... that bothers me. I will speak very openly about this now that i've had time to think about it. Who started this guild, supported you all, and defended you all? I did. I will continue to do that. But seeing some people trying to defend others who have absolutely spewed nothing but lies against us and our cause... isn't that a little illogical?

So please, by all means:

When someone is an a**, call them out on it. What business do they have to judge you for your opinions? Your choice of life and beliefs are your own. There is another group of people that look down on others for their ideals and pursuits, they go by many names, but we shall group them into a category best known as "Homophobes".

(And I was going to make a comparison but I'm being very lazy and not thinking of anything convincing at the moment.)

Anyhoo-

The superior one isn't the one who sits on the throne and declares it, he goes out there and fights to prove it. Well, in discussion, it is particularly difficult to "win", but still, fight like you can anyway.

*edit*

One thing you might be thinking is for you guys to just quit. No, keep fighting the hard fight, I had my big flop of an idea fall in front of my face for trying to make debate better, but I feel that it is pointless... sorry if there was any miscomunication.

Normally i'll only call my own side out when they're being a tad too over the top, because I care about how we look to others. I don't care about how the pro-choicers look, at all.

Digital Lucifer was a strong advicate for the pro-life side

He and Neth would have quabbles, since both of them coming from the same background and ethnicity, thats where I remember him from.

To be completely honest, I totally agree. In my experience, most of their idiot newbies do seem to be spoonfed "information" by their oldbies, and the oldbies very rarely correct each other or their newbies. So many of their oldbies are unabashedly anti-Pro-Life that they would rather support bad information than support a Pro-Lifers accusations, not to mention it makes them fine with newbies stooping to mudslinging because they themselves already stoop to mudslinging.

I -was- trying to be as neutral as possible. xd And this doesn't hold for all of them, I've met plenty of Pro-Choicers that are good people, and who aren't afraid to call out other Pro-Choicers on their stupidity. But, unfortunately, the leaders of the Pro-Choice guild, whether mods or de facto leaders, are not, in my experience, among those people, and the newbies follow those leaders.

(Also, discloser, I haven't been in the debate thread in forever, so I couldn't say for certain how it is now. But I'd guess that not much has changed.)

I poked my head in out of morbid curiosity, made a pretty damn good point, and was totally ignored.

They tend to do that when they've been pwned. biggrin

It all started when I decided to poke around some of the ED threads. I found one on abortion, and I enjoy expressing my opinions on political matters. I unknowingly crept into a trap. ninja The second I said anything pro-life...that was it. There were a million of them on me, "like white on rice", as my daddy would say. I really could not get a word in edgewise. As soon as I could counter one, the next one would have already not only had a response to my initial post, but also the counter I had just given, and then 2 more people posting just to pat person number 2 on the back. For once in my life, I actually GAVE UP. That's really saying something concerning me. Thank goodness I was directed to the PLG by a benevolent black cat. After doing some research on the matter, it was made perfectly clear to me just why things like that can happen. The pro-choice guild is roughly double the size of ours. They have various active "campaigns" for both recruitment and support. From what I've seen on their threads, they really do indoctrinate their new members with the baby-killing CLEP notes. This isn't like David vs. Goliath. This is like David vs. Little Boy and Fat Man, being dropped from a stealth bomber which is being piloted by a T1000 terminator robot.

Mob Mentality FTL D:

And don't be discoruaged, you didn't give up, you were fed up. It really is total BS what you have to put up with in there.

Hell, I think only a few of us have ever 'debated' 6 of them continuously, and its tough work and its hard.