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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:28 pm
So, a serious discussion. My opinions on knockoff titles aside. >_>
Smoking.
I smoke, some other people smoke, the government has decided(long a go) that second hand smoke should be controlled by it's hands rather than allowing private businesses to deal with their own turf.
Now, what are your views on smoking, other than "ew that's gross". Now that you know I smoke irl, has your view of me changed? Have you ever been friends with someone, found out they smoked, and then your view of them changed? Why do you think that is?
What's your view of smoking things other than tobacco(but not limited to weed)? What are your views on second hand smoke, in general? In regards to public and private domain?
What's your first impression of someone when you see them smoking?
Do YOU smoke?
Edit:
Why do you smoke, if you smoke? Do you want to smoke? Why? Why do you think other people smoke?
My opinions will come later. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:30 pm
Scelero couldn't care less if people smoke, and their opinion won't change on someone if they find out that they do. It's their choice, if they want to do something that's legal they can do it.
Meanwhile, Scelero doesn't smoke, doesn't want to, and just plain can't because they're asthmatic.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:32 pm
I used to have asthma, then I grew out of it. (Doctor said I was a lucky b*****d).
I found it rather funny that I know more people who have asthma and smoke than smoke and then got asthma.
Makes me wonder why they started smoking if they had asthma. 0.o;
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:36 pm
I figure it's unhealthy, but there are a lot more unhealthy things that people do that aren't as frowned upon. I don't dislike people who smoke because they smoke. I just don't really care. It's your own choice.
I agree with MOST second smoke laws. I don't agree with it in bars, though. I think bars should have the choice. But in places with kids, I think second hand smoke is generally a bad thing. A person should be able to choose. :3
Weed? Well. It's an illegal drug, so that gives it a bad rep. It's not really any worse than drinking or smoking under the legal age though, breaking the law wise, so it isn't fair to dislike someone for that factor. I suppose, thinking about it, that weed really isn't that much worse. It's more unhealthy, yes. But as long as the person was okay, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Not something I'll do. And other things? I don't agree with smoking or doing anything stronger. I think it's stupid, and don't think I could like a person who did anything stronger. Though, there was that one girl who did coke and a lot of other heavy s**t who I did really like. But she was smart and intelligent (I'm redundant.) . So I guess it altogether depends, but anything stronger than weed is definitely a big strike against you in my eyes.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:42 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton [weed is] more unhealthy, yes. I hope I read that right. 0.o; Actually weed is rather beneficial, and in some states that have re-legalized it to be used as a prescription drug. Smoking and Drinking don't really have any medicinal value, and could be considered as just huge big heaps of cancer(exceptions aside). But as far as weed goes, I'm really sort of hypocritical. I'd never do weed, and I tend to look down on people who smoke it because it's illegal, period. Then I found out more than 80% of my friends smoked it on a regular basis. Hell, I was friends with a few dealers in highschool. My view is, of course, slowly changing. I'm unsure if I'll ever do weed. I used to say I never would, but now I don't know. I'd certainly never buy weed for myself, but actually smoking it could be a different story.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:45 pm
[Q] Padme Potter of Hobbiton [weed is] more unhealthy, yes. I hope I read that right. 0.o; Actually weed is rather beneficial, and in some states that have re-legalized it to be used as a prescription drug. Smoking and Drinking don't really have any medicinal value, and could be considered as just huge big heaps of cancer(exceptions aside). But as far as weed goes, I'm really sort of hypocritical. I'd never do weed, and I tend to look down on people who smoke it because it's illegal, period. Then I found out more than 80% of my friends smoked it on a regular basis. Hell, I was friends with a few dealers in highschool. My view is, of course, slowly changing. I'm unsure if I'll ever do weed. I used to say I never would, but now I don't know. I'd certainly never buy weed for myself, but actually smoking it could be a different story. No. Although weed has medicinal values, it is actually like 8ish times more unhealthy than smoking. It depends how it's used. I think it's fairly stupid to do, personally. And finding out someone I know does it changes my views on them.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:53 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton Although weed has medicinal values, it is actually like 8ish times more unhealthy than smoking. how so?
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:02 pm
[Q] Padme Potter of Hobbiton Although weed has medicinal values, it is actually like 8ish times more unhealthy than smoking. how so? I learned this stuff in SCHOOL, I didn't question them. Look it up for yourself?
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:07 pm
Padme Potter of Hobbiton I learned this stuff in SCHOOL, I didn't question them. Look it up for yourself? I learned I could get AIDS from kissing someone who was HIV+. School when addressing "morally wrong" concepts = not usually true. Better than it used to be, but still pretty bad with their scare tactics. Edit, but hell, I looked up for myself anyway. HEY LOOK. Quote: The health risks associated with Marijuana are often misunderstood or exaggerated. The best recent scientific research shows that marijuana is much less harmful than prohobitionists say it is. Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain (from WebMD, July 2003). A recent survey of research found that long term marijuana use did not have a significant effect on cognitive abilities. The report was published in the July 2003 Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society. Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection (from Washington Post, May 2006). A recent study of the effects of long-term marijuana use found that "smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer." This study, the largest of its kind, was funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The same study found that heavy tobacco use greatly increased the chance of lung cancer. [Source]Hell, there's an officially-recognized association for the benefits of Marijuana. http://americanmarijuana.org/Wikipedia Unlike tobacco, cannabis has not been shown to cause emphysema or lung cancer. [34][35][36] Other studies have suggested that cannabis may be less likely to cause birth defects or developmental delays in the children of users than other drugs.[37][38] According to a United Kingdom government report, using cannabis is less dangerous than both tobacco and alcohol in social harms, physical harm and addiction.[ 39] [Source]Oh snap! Looks like school was wrong.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:16 pm
Yeah, I smoke. So naturally all the biprodcuts of it don't really bother me that much. I'm not a big smoker, I'll only have about a pack a week at the most.
It is my belief and personal experience though that the smokers I have met, are generally more laid back and nicer than non-smokers. Point and example: Me and my freinds were driving when his car died. we had to then push it into the nearest parking lot, which was that of a gas station. The lady htat worked there not only let us keep it there for the night, but gave us free food and drink to warm us up. She smoked. A little while later a woman pulls up in a car with the jesus fish stickers on it and what not, a screaming christian. We figure she would help us jump start the car. She didn't, and after she got her gas she just drove away, leaving us there. We wait a little while and a man pulls up, and offers to help us. We try jumping the car, but it doesn't start. So he lights up and offers us a ride home, which we accept.
As for sweet mary jane, I know for a fact that it is no where near as harmful as ciggarettes or alcohol, this has been proven. There are benefits to it's use, but it is very illegal. As for my standpoint, I think herb should be legalized, and I'll leave it at that.
~<3
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:27 pm
korikun the cat It is my belief and personal experience though that the smokers I have met, are generally more laid back and nicer than non-smokers. Unfortunately,I think this is true as well. Most smokers you ask about smoking will say not to start(that I have asked, and from 2nd-hand expierence) but at the same time, won't patronize you for wanting to try it. I think smokers are nicer not because they smoke, but just because they're used to be having a thumb pushed down on them, and don't want to have that same "bad luck" fall on anyone else. Like how most gay people are really nice(that was a bad example). Maybe it's because the government/others make smokers(and gay people) look really bad, so these people are nice so they don't make themselves look worse? Regardless, you prove a good point. Especially about christians. But chrisitans are a topic for another thread. There are more non-smokers out there who will walk by someone smoking and intentionally cough really loud, or be rude and say "Won't you put that OUT" when in most cases it doesn't even bother them at all. Every smoker I know and have ever meant will always ask the people they're around before they light up if it's okay to light up. You go to a pretty much any other group that has some sort of addiction, they're not going to ask "Hey, is it okay if I force my views of [insert thing here] on you?" For some reason I keep thinking of Native Americans when I think of smokers and their relationship to the government. Government keeps pushing buttons and limiting what they can do, and the smokers just take it. Only difference is, I don't see any thousand-dollar grants, scholarships, and tribe-owned reservations not applicable to US government for smokers any time in the future. :/ ... This post probably made no sense. Sorry. D:
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:00 pm
o3o In the thought of health and smoking, I call smokes "cancer sticks". The only place I would EVER smoke is on Gaia. Because that's safe. :<
In my opinion, strictly mine, if I want to kill myself slowly and have trouble breathing, I'll poison my own food and take breaths every 20 seconds. ._.
HirunHikari

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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:32 pm
I don't smoke, mostly because I had severe asthma when I was little; it was really bad. Even now I sometimes have trouble breathing, especially when spring rolls around. Smoking would probably harm my health even further, so I don't want to risk it.
I have nothing against smokers. Most of them are really courteous and ask if it's okay before they light up. And when they do, they usually do it downwind so that the smoke won't blow into anyone's face. I have had a few bad experiences, though. One time I was walking behind someone, the smoke and ashes from their cigarette kept on lowing back into my face. He wouldn't stop or let me pass either, and he knew I was walking behind him.
I don't run into many people like that, though.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:33 pm
HirunHikari In my opinion, strictly mine, if I want to kill myself slowly and have trouble breathing, I'll poison my own food and take breaths every 20 seconds. ._. rofl I really have no need to smoke. I tried it out once and it was kinda un-special. I won't diss on people who do smoke, even though I believe it's sorta dumb. As for weed, I'm totally against it. I know that it's probably not any less or more healthy than smoking (haven't looked into it so I'm not gonna try to get into that argument) but I do know that it does destroy brain cells, or at least fries them for a while. Plus, to me, getting high and getting drunk are just about the same thing and I have no need or want to not be in control of my actions. That's my two cents anways.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:40 pm
I don't care if people smoke, as long as they don't pose a threat to other people. I've only known a few smokers in my life, and while I wasn't fond of them (like my father or teachers) I didn't really hate them either.
I say, if people want to kill themeselves with smoking, it's their choice. But don't drag other people's health into it.
Frankly, though I don't talk to people I don't know, regardless of whether they smoke or not. I just avoid them.
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