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 Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:36 pm
he's sort of depressed because he didn't get picked to be a school newspaper artist. (6/7 of the people who applied made it) ad now he thinks he can't draw etc etc. he says he's bad at drawing legs so ughhh and right now he's trying to draw comic book(before it was flash animation thing) that he's gonna get published from one of those publish your own books, it's about a giant sock monster or something along those lines image time smile  i think it's a promo image for his comic the potato is mine lol smile not sure what this is first pages of his comic ugh characters how to help him??
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:51 pm
i think the best way is for him to help himself. i mean, i don't know if anyone is willing to give him a confidence booster on whether or not he thinks his work is good enough since he didn't get picked. people can critique his work and maybe give him pointers but if he's feeling depressed it kinda makes critiques hard to swallow. right now i think his work is kind of inconsistent, especially for sequential/comic work. and some of the panels feel a little off to me. it might be good if he started off with storyboards to plot out the sequence and then adjusting those to fit within panels to give it more of a consistent feel. if he's bad at drawing legs and he knows it, maybe it's time for him to go and refine and learn how legs work and look like if he wants to strengthen up his skills. anatomy is pretty essential for this kind of work and it's good to get the basics in now so coming up with stuff like this is easier in the future. if he's got the funds he can try signing up for a life drawing class at a local community college. and if he's willing to go the distance even a rudimentary acting class can really help in learning how the body works and moves and knowing a bit of background on poses and gestures. there are also books that one can read up on but i find that the best way to learn is trying it out yourself by experience since it really helps give you a grasp on how the body feels like in a certain pose or position (like if a person is angry they tend to stand with their feet apart and their posture changes to make themselves look wider and more threatening...the opposite goes for someone who is hurt or embarrassed will want to make themselves as small as possible to be less noticeable and for protection, etc). are there any artists your friend admires? any comic work that he looks at? even like looking at those and breaking down the process can really benefit in learning. line weight and compositions are also things that are handy for this type of work, to know what or who is the main focus in a panel or page.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:55 pm
uh
he says
you might want to tell them that these are out of order and randomly selected from over a one-month period or so
also, some of them are redraws of the same thing
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:00 pm
guacala uh he says you might want to tell them that these are out of order and randomly selected from over a one-month period or so also, some of them are redraws of the same thing yeah, i can see that...but i think like some of the inconsistencies are from drawing them rather than like the page orders. the characters don't really look and feel the same from the sketches. like the girl with the ponytail, sometimes she has bangs and sometimes she doesn't and it's those kind of inconsistencies that makes it a little confusing for the viewer or reader if they're the same character or not. i think it might also be good if your friend could speak up on his behalf instead of going through you?
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:25 pm
Heys.
I didn't mean page order, I meant chronological order, the order in which I drew them. I was trying out different things since I wasn't entirely satisfied with her original design. That and people telling me that "it needs more detail" which it does, really.
Life drawing classes... I dunno if I can really manage something like that. Aside from money, time is another factor. Extracurricular stuff is keeping me busy most of the week -.- I've looked at books, but what do you mean by "trying it out yourself by experience"? Physically trying it out or trying it out by drawing it?
Mm... looked at a few webcomic artists' procedures in the past, but I'm not really sure whether it really got through to me. Line variation I did in some of them, but probably not in an effective way. That or it's just hard to see with everything shrinked.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:20 pm
To be honest with you, I think you should stop the whole cartooning thing for a bit to practice up on anatomy. I think the best anime/cartoonish style comes from people who have a great grasp of real-life human anatomy.
Sooo... maybe pick up some of those handy anatomy books, take a life-drawing class if you can, get friends to pose for you, etc etc.
When you just start with drawing chibis and anime right off the bat, well... they don't look very good. In most cases anyway.
I definitely think you should get the hang of real-life proportions and anatomy before adding your own little cartoonish flairs to it. :3
I hope that was helpful and not offensive to you. You have a great start, but you just need to polish the basics before you can really move on. And of course, always practice practice practice.
Good luck. heart
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:11 pm
To tell him the truth (which he isn't going to like), it is bad (please, please keep reading). But! This is the truth for every artist when they are relatively new to it. By relative, I mean that it could take someone 1 year or it could take someone 5-10 years until they realize there is a learning component to art and stop just doodling without a purpose.
He has to ACTIVELY try to get better. He has to look at things all the time and think to himself "That looks cool, how would I go about drawing that?". If he has a pencil and paper, he should perhaps try to draw it. I actually had a dream about how to draw rain once. I don't think the dream helped me draw rain better, but its just an example of what is on my brain quite a lot of the time.
We can't really do much of a critique for you; all we can do is tell you to draw more, try drawing from life, try to learn anatomy, try to learn perspective, composition, character, movement, etc. etc.. Look at artists that inspire you and try to figure out why their art is successful to you. Don't copy it necessarily, but just why their image is successful as a whole.
Learning to draw or paint is a series of failures. It really is. FOR EVERYONE. If any artist stops hating their own work or at least parts of their work, they stop progressing.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:54 pm
Keep telling him he's crap until he realizes it's true. If he continues to draw in spite of this, then in time he will become very good.
If he gives up, eh. The world doesn't need another bad artist.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:49 am
The blue lined drawing looks nicer than any of the computer stuff.
I actually see some good cartoony looks in those last two characters that I like as well, good colours, so it's not all doom and gloom.
The characters inside the boxes just don't seem to have that though. The hair I especially don't like, even that kind of anime hair should be based on the shapes of real hair.
The lines in the cereal comic have no charm to them. A freer, looser style would be much kinder to the eye.
It's a shame you didn't get selected because then it would have given you something to push for but for now I guess it's just chin up and get on with it. Then next time they are looking for artists you make them sure you are picked.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:34 am
Keratin Keep telling him he's crap until he realizes it's true. If he continues to draw in spite of this, then in time he will become very good. If he gives up, eh. The world doesn't need another bad artist. Word. It looks like this artist is learning to draw by looking at other comics. This is not a great way to do it, because you are getting too far removed from the subject. He should at least buy an anatomy book or a skin mag to get a handle on human anatomy. The very last one is the only one of the lot that I think has anything going for it.
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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:20 pm
I gotta say, that really sucks you didn't get chosen. sad Those kind of failures can be a real blow to the ego, especially if you really want what you're going for.
Take everyones advice and start drawing from life. You don't need lifedrawing classes or anything that costs money besides a pencil and a sketchbook. Trust me it works wonders. If you like drawing cartoons now, imagine how much you'll like it after you've really honed in on your drawing skills~ smile
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:51 pm
As long as they keep drawing, their skills will improve and their style as well. As long as you don't stop drawing, and keep drawing diverse things and not just focusing on one subject forever, you are guaranteed to improve. Practice makes perfect.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:41 pm
As said, figure drawing, anatomy drawing is your best bet to improve right now. If you can't afford the time to take full classes, you can always look for reference online. I often go through Deviantart's artistic nude section looking for nice photographs I can use as practice for realistic figure drawing.
If you have the unsatiable drive to get better at drawing, you'll start improving in no time, but it doesn't happen all by itself, and it can be discouraging sometimes (not just when you're beginning either).
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