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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:52 pm
I wasn't sure where to post this seeing as how it is debated to death and also has to do with religion and I also would like to know some more information if anyone has any. I do research it a lot so I am fairly well versed in it but still any info helps.
I want to know more information or studies that have been done involving stem cells. Seeing as how my husband was diagnosed with MS at the beginning of last year I became very intersted in the subject.
I have read of two studies where they injected stem cells into the spines of animals. One being paralyzed rats and the other dogs (both from the waist down) and both animals responded well to the therapy and regained mobility in their lower limbs.
I also see nothing wrong with stem cell research, which may seem one sided with many people because of my situation. I believe that scientists working with embryo stem cells to try and cure people of many diseases as an extremely positive things. Especially since we seem to have come to what I would call an almost standstill in the development of new innovative drugs and treatments for more complex diseases that plague our world.
Again if anyone has any information they would like to share I would be very appreciative!
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:52 am
/It's just a phase/
I'm not sure of the full details of stem cell research. I know the definition of a stem cell, however- it's a cell that hasn't become a specialized cell yet. True, these cells are what makes up a fetus for a period of time. But I have heard that they have found stem cells in another area (I can't remember where, I think perhaps near the baby but floating freely) and that these can be used as well. These cells could be used to repair brain damage. By the age of five, a person's brain is fully developed and the cells no longer divide. If the cells are damaged, there is no means of repairing them. However, stem cell research might find a way to repair this kind of damage.
There's my little addition to the discussion.
/It's got to pass/
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:01 pm
A little correction. Stem cell is made from embryo, not fetus.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:34 am
Chrono_Tata A little correction. Stem cell is made from embryo, not fetus. Well, sometimes. Embryonic stem cells are the most useful, because they can become anything. But researchers can also use stem cells found in adult bone cells. They're not as versatile and can't turn into as many various cells as embryonic ones can turn into, but using embryonic cells may be taking soon-to-be lives. But most people think of the embryonic cells when they think of stem-cell research. Yeah, stem cells research can definately save lives. Doctors might eventually be able to replace damaged heart or brain cells in a patient with newly created ones from a lab. But, that doesn't mean it isn't risky. Suppose a doctor replaces damaged heart cells with stem cells that are supposed to turn into heart cells. But suppose something goes wrong and the cells that were to turn into heart cells actually turn into.. DUM DUM DUM.. bone cells! That would a piece of bone in the middle of the heart, which is obviously very bad. And I KNOW people are going to start abusing stem cells eventually. Athletes are going to start implanting new bone and muscle tissue just to make them stronger or faster, and thinkers would start implanting new brain tissue just to make them smarter. That's inevitable in our world. It will happen eventually. Oh, and I think this belongs more in the debate & discussion subforum than in the religion one.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:09 am
KumarKakarla Chrono_Tata A little correction. Stem cell is made from embryo, not fetus. Well, sometimes. Embryonic stem cells are the most useful, because they can become anything. But researchers can also use stem cells found in adult bone cells. They're not as versatile and can't turn into as many various cells as embryonic ones can turn into, but using embryonic cells may be taking soon-to-be lives. But most people think of the embryonic cells when they think of stem-cell research. I am aware of that. The OP mentioned "fetus stem cell", so I corrected her about that. (As far as I know, fetuses are not harvested to make stem cells. Correct me if I'm wrong) Sorry I wasn't clear. Anyway, I don't really see the problem of using embryos for making stem cells. Thousands of them are discarded after in vitro fertilisations daily all around the world. Rather than doing that, why not put them to good use?
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:45 pm
KumarKakarla Chrono_Tata A little correction. Stem cell is made from embryo, not fetus. Well, sometimes. Embryonic stem cells are the most useful, because they can become anything. But researchers can also use stem cells found in adult bone cells. They're not as versatile and can't turn into as many various cells as embryonic ones can turn into, but using embryonic cells may be taking soon-to-be lives. But most people think of the embryonic cells when they think of stem-cell research. Yeah, stem cells research can definately save lives. Doctors might eventually be able to replace damaged heart or brain cells in a patient with newly created ones from a lab. But, that doesn't mean it isn't risky.
Suppose a doctor replaces damaged heart cells with stem cells that are supposed to turn into heart cells. But suppose something goes wrong and the cells that were to turn into heart cells actually turn into.. DUM DUM DUM.. bone cells! That would a piece of bone in the middle of the heart, which is obviously very bad.And I KNOW people are going to start abusing stem cells eventually. Athletes are going to start implanting new bone and muscle tissue just to make them stronger or faster, and thinkers would start implanting new brain tissue just to make them smarter. That's inevitable in our world. It will happen eventually. Oh, and I think this belongs more in the debate & discussion subforum than in the religion one. I am not sure you quite understand the way stem cells work. Inside an embryo no bigger than the period at the end of this sentence are dozens of stem cells. Initially, these cells are blank slates, meaning that their fate is undecided. But they have great potential. Stem cells are pluripotent, which means that they can develop into every cell, every tissue and every organ in the human body. http://www.howstuffworks.com/stem-cell.htm Read the rest of this website. In short, when placed say in a heart, it would not turn into a bone. It would become part of the heart. And I do correct the fetus, I did mean embryo. thanks
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:14 am
Chrono_Tata KumarKakarla Chrono_Tata A little correction. Stem cell is made from embryo, not fetus. Well, sometimes. Embryonic stem cells are the most useful, because they can become anything. But researchers can also use stem cells found in adult bone cells. They're not as versatile and can't turn into as many various cells as embryonic ones can turn into, but using embryonic cells may be taking soon-to-be lives. But most people think of the embryonic cells when they think of stem-cell research. I am aware of that. The OP mentioned "fetus stem cell", so I corrected her about that. (As far as I know, fetuses are not harvested to make stem cells. Correct me if I'm wrong) Sorry I wasn't clear. Anyway, I don't really see the problem of using embryos for making stem cells. Thousands of them are discarded after in vitro fertilisations daily all around the world. Rather than doing that, why not put them to good use? Yeah, if those are the only embryos used. I'm not sure whether scientists only use discarded ones or not.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:17 am
DeSpAiR0218 KumarKakarla Chrono_Tata A little correction. Stem cell is made from embryo, not fetus. Well, sometimes. Embryonic stem cells are the most useful, because they can become anything. But researchers can also use stem cells found in adult bone cells. They're not as versatile and can't turn into as many various cells as embryonic ones can turn into, but using embryonic cells may be taking soon-to-be lives. But most people think of the embryonic cells when they think of stem-cell research. Yeah, stem cells research can definately save lives. Doctors might eventually be able to replace damaged heart or brain cells in a patient with newly created ones from a lab. But, that doesn't mean it isn't risky.
Suppose a doctor replaces damaged heart cells with stem cells that are supposed to turn into heart cells. But suppose something goes wrong and the cells that were to turn into heart cells actually turn into.. DUM DUM DUM.. bone cells! That would a piece of bone in the middle of the heart, which is obviously very bad.And I KNOW people are going to start abusing stem cells eventually. Athletes are going to start implanting new bone and muscle tissue just to make them stronger or faster, and thinkers would start implanting new brain tissue just to make them smarter. That's inevitable in our world. It will happen eventually. Oh, and I think this belongs more in the debate & discussion subforum than in the religion one. I am not sure you quite understand the way stem cells work. Inside an embryo no bigger than the period at the end of this sentence are dozens of stem cells. Initially, these cells are blank slates, meaning that their fate is undecided. But they have great potential. Stem cells are pluripotent, which means that they can develop into every cell, every tissue and every organ in the human body. http://www.howstuffworks.com/stem-cell.htm Read the rest of this website. In short, when placed say in a heart, it would not turn into a bone. It would become part of the heart. And I do correct the fetus, I did mean embryo. thanks I know they're pluripotent, but you don't know that they'll turn into heart cells when in the heart. Mistakes happen in science all the time, and a scientist can do something that makes the cell actually turn into bone. I don't think a transplanted stem cell turns into whatever is supposed to be in that region, I think the scientists determine what the stem cell turns into.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:38 am
I suppose... whatever works in helping people. Though, does this process hurt the fetus? If it does.. then I'm a little reluctant to agree. If it doesn't, then I don't mind. I don't know what it is like to be immobile, or have a heart problem, but I'm sure it isn't fun. So, again I say, whatever will help people become healthy once more.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:07 am
hootenanny I suppose... whatever works in helping people. Though, does this process hurt the fetus? If it does.. then I'm a little reluctant to agree. If it doesn't, then I don't mind. I don't know what it is like to be immobile, or have a heart problem, but I'm sure it isn't fun. So, again I say, whatever will help people become healthy once more. Fetuses are not used to harvest stem cells.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:53 am
Chrono_Tata hootenanny I suppose... whatever works in helping people. Though, does this process hurt the fetus? If it does.. then I'm a little reluctant to agree. If it doesn't, then I don't mind. I don't know what it is like to be immobile, or have a heart problem, but I'm sure it isn't fun. So, again I say, whatever will help people become healthy once more. Fetuses are not used to harvest stem cells. Corrected in the first post..
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:23 am
DeSpAiR0218 Chrono_Tata hootenanny I suppose... whatever works in helping people. Though, does this process hurt the fetus? If it does.. then I'm a little reluctant to agree. If it doesn't, then I don't mind. I don't know what it is like to be immobile, or have a heart problem, but I'm sure it isn't fun. So, again I say, whatever will help people become healthy once more. Fetuses are not used to harvest stem cells. Corrected in the first post.. I know, but some people still seems to be under the impression that fetuses are used to harvest stem cell. (as seen in the bolded bit) sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:41 am
.eyes.unclouded. /It's just a phase/
...I have heard that they have found stem cells in another area (I can't remember where, I think perhaps near the baby but floating freely) and that these can be used as well...
/It's got to pass/
Yes, scientists found usable stem-cells within the uterus that could be harvested and does not harm the embryo. I have no qualms with stem-cell research, as stated its the embryo, not the fetus, that is destroyed and though a fetus feeling pain is debatable (I still think they don't feel anything during an abortion), there is no way a cluster of cells can consciously feel pain or even be aware of its own existence.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:41 am
DeSpAiR0218 Chrono_Tata hootenanny I suppose... whatever works in helping people. Though, does this process hurt the fetus? If it does.. then I'm a little reluctant to agree. If it doesn't, then I don't mind. I don't know what it is like to be immobile, or have a heart problem, but I'm sure it isn't fun. So, again I say, whatever will help people become healthy once more. Fetuses are not used to harvest stem cells. Corrected in the first post..
Would somebody kindly tell me the problem with all of this?
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:20 am
purple richie DeSpAiR0218 Chrono_Tata hootenanny I suppose... whatever works in helping people. Though, does this process hurt the fetus? If it does.. then I'm a little reluctant to agree. If it doesn't, then I don't mind. I don't know what it is like to be immobile, or have a heart problem, but I'm sure it isn't fun. So, again I say, whatever will help people become healthy once more. Fetuses are not used to harvest stem cells. Corrected in the first post..
Would somebody kindly tell me the problem with all of this?They are harvested from embryos, which is the first stage of the development of humans. The usual argument comes from people believing that the "soul" enters the egg cell right after the moment of fertilisation, so destroying the embryo is essentially killing a soul.
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