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 Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:11 pm
Anyone here heard of Lojban? It's a "carefully constructed spoken language designed in the hope of removing a large portion of the ambiguity from human communication." (from Lojban home page) They make claims that it accomplishes feats that other conlangs such as Esperanto have failed to do, such as true cultural neutrality, ease of learning, etc. It's supposed to be simple, precise, neutral, and useful. Check out these links for more: Lojban HomepageLojban on WikipediaLojban at OmniglotNow, I'm not even considering learning it unless a whole lot of people decide to learn it as a group thing. I do plan to scour through some of the more detailed bits and see if there's any new concepts, grammar points, etc to learn. What do you guys think? What about in comparison to Esperanto? (I'm trying to stir up some conversation here; all these tumbleweeds keep rolling into me whenever I stop by. The cobwebs aren't a nice touch either, guys. sad )
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:08 pm
:O
It actually looks really interesting. I think I'll learn it just for the hell of it.
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Eccentric Iconoclast Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:19 am
I would look into it if I weren't so arrogant. xp
I have this thing about me that when I look at an "official" conlang like that, I think "Anything they can do, I can do better." xd
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:37 pm
Hawk_McKrakken I would look into it if I weren't so arrogant. xp I have this thing about me that when I look at an "official" conlang like that, I think "Anything they can do, I can do better." xd That's kind of how I feel, although in this case, I tried to do what they've supposedly accomplished, and there was no way I could have done it by myself. Also, the time needed to learn a new "official" language like that, I could better spend working further on Anzer Pex.
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Eccentric Iconoclast Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:13 am
I just like to learn languages. Any languages. All languages.
Aquénandi is so far off of any natural languages (I believe) that it could never become widely spoken except for by weird people. Who ever heard of a language with no set words beyond the basic morphemes? D:
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:07 pm
Little additions denoting feeling is just... nonsense, that's what it is to me. If anything that would, for me, complicate the learning process. I give the creators kudos for doing something that's never really been done before, but it just complicates things. I think we need to stick with traditional-style languages. There's no point in doing something completely unique to other languages unless it's more or less easy. Otherwise no one will want to learn it.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:12 am
Hawk_McKrakken Little additions denoting feeling is just... nonsense, that's what it is to me. If anything that would, for me, complicate the learning process. I give the creators kudos for doing something that's never really been done before, but it just complicates things. I think we need to stick with traditional-style languages. There's no point in doing something completely unique to other languages unless it's more or less easy. Otherwise no one will want to learn it. In conlangs meant for others to learn and actually communicate in, such as Lojban, ease of learning in use is a primary focus. In personal conlangs, it's fun to throw in complicated things just to make them interesting. A perfectly logical, predictable, regular language really is kind of boring, even if convenient and easy. Also, Grammatical Mood is okay, even when explicitly stated rather than given as a verb ending or word-order construct or something. Grammatical moods denote feeling, but in a different sort of way. I can't think of anything that denote emotion such as happiness or sadness or anger in natural languages, just general moods. But no, I don't like... what do they call them, Attitudinal Indicators? I don't see the point. Why can't you just say "I love blah" or "I'm unhappy about blah"? On a side note, I'm thinking of creating a writing-focused language that works like a complex programming language. I'm not sure if it would work out or not, but it seems like it'd be fun enough to give it a shot.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:13 pm
It sounds very interesting, but I don't think I would learn it, or at least until more people started speaking it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:16 am
I think it's interesting.....And I would probably learn it.
But I don't like the way it sounds...It sounds....kind of wishy-washy. Like it's supposed to be guttural, but then then it's not....
that probably made no sense....lol
Basically, if I don't like the way it sounds, i won't expend any effort on it. I'm lazy. blaugh
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:07 pm
To me, the actual sound isn't so important, it's the difficulty of pronunciation.
For example, I dislike the sound of Spanish, but it's so easy to pronounce (for me), so I learned it. I love the sound of German and French, but I'm not taking any more German classes after I scrape through this one. French just looks too hard to pronounce in the first place (stupid monks!). I also like the sound of Hungarian, but whoo boy >_<
Hmm. Easy to pronounce seems to mean sounding unpleasant, and vice versa. Hehehe...
I really should look a bit deeper into Lojban. It seems like it would be my kind of language, in many ways.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:48 pm
Xeigrich To me, the actual sound isn't so important, it's the difficulty of pronunciation. For example, I dislike the sound of Spanish, but it's so easy to pronounce (for me), so I learned it. I love the sound of German and French, but I'm not taking any more German classes after I scrape through this one. French just looks too hard to pronounce in the first place (stupid monks!). I also like the sound of Hungarian, but whoo boy >_< Hmm. Easy to pronounce seems to mean sounding unpleasant, and vice versa. Hehehe... I really should look a bit deeper into Lojban. It seems like it would be my kind of language, in many ways. Do you like Kintarasesa? Because it's usually really easy, besides a few words, which I only trip over because my tongue is dumb sometimes.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:24 pm
Aquenandi pronunciation really can be a pain, but I usually do pretty well. The only notable examples that I really stumbled over in the Babel text are "prilbrinjot" and "pukartiramvo."
mad D
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Eccentric Iconoclast Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:02 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast Aquenandi pronunciation really can be a pain, but I usually do pretty well. The only notable examples that I really stumbled over in the Babel text are "prilbrinjot" and "pukartiramvo." mad D Hey, I managed to stumble over "me'n" that last recording on... rofl
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:13 pm
Forgedawn Xeigrich To me, the actual sound isn't so important, it's the difficulty of pronunciation. For example, I dislike the sound of Spanish, but it's so easy to pronounce (for me), so I learned it. I love the sound of German and French, but I'm not taking any more German classes after I scrape through this one. French just looks too hard to pronounce in the first place (stupid monks!). I also like the sound of Hungarian, but whoo boy >_< Hmm. Easy to pronounce seems to mean sounding unpleasant, and vice versa. Hehehe... I really should look a bit deeper into Lojban. It seems like it would be my kind of language, in many ways. Do you like Kintarasesa? Because it's usually really easy, besides a few words, which I only trip over because my tongue is dumb sometimes. Yeah, I like Kintarasesa. I had to go look up how X and Q were being used, and how to react to consecutive vowels~
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:38 pm
Xeigrich Forgedawn Xeigrich To me, the actual sound isn't so important, it's the difficulty of pronunciation. For example, I dislike the sound of Spanish, but it's so easy to pronounce (for me), so I learned it. I love the sound of German and French, but I'm not taking any more German classes after I scrape through this one. French just looks too hard to pronounce in the first place (stupid monks!). I also like the sound of Hungarian, but whoo boy >_< Hmm. Easy to pronounce seems to mean sounding unpleasant, and vice versa. Hehehe... I really should look a bit deeper into Lojban. It seems like it would be my kind of language, in many ways. Do you like Kintarasesa? Because it's usually really easy, besides a few words, which I only trip over because my tongue is dumb sometimes. Yeah, I like Kintarasesa. I had to go look up how X and Q were being used, and how to react to consecutive vowels~ sh, kh biggrin and j is zh. Just because I wanted to kill off the double-unsounded-consonant thing in transliteration.
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