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And all they wanted to do was to do their best for their babies.
pro lifers should be estatic that women are willing to leave their homes and lives just to make sure the baby gets the best care as possible.
but sadly, s**t like this happens all over the world, especially in developed countries like the U.S. because they can get away with it, and it's usually caused by pro lifers (not saying this case is).
If pro lifers want to change the way abortion is veiwed to them as a nesscary form of gender equality, well then they need to start giving some equality to pregnant women. neutral

Sorry, the truth hurts. sweatdrop

But it's just like all of the illegal Mexicans and Latinos giving birth in hospitals for free in the U.S., on the taxpayers expense. Then declaring the child an American citizen for nothing more than being a crotch dumpling on U.S. soil. Clogging up all of the social safety net resources in America and they aren't even ********' legal.

The Chinese going to Hong Kong were just taking advantage of a loop hole, and for a time they brilliantly exercised it. There's too many Chinese people on the planet and as large and old a country as China is, they have the laws on giving birth to children for a good reason. If they don't like having restrictions on the amount of kids they want to have, they should legally apply to live somewhere else where the law allows for more children.

The law isn't even that bad. If a couple has a girl before a boy, the couple can still end up having two children if the first born is a girl. Most people can't even raise one child, let alone two, let alone five.

BUT Hong Kong is part of china.
it's a city of china - not even a state.
that would be like saying that women in vermont couldn't go have their children in a new york city hospital confused

I know that, but if you're born on American soil you have every right to use American resources. You can't tell them "too bad, you're not American so you have to leave with your kid".

So what do you want them to do? Chuck the kid into an orphanage and send the parents back to Mexico?

First of all, don't assume I want to do anything to them, and don't try to put words in my mouth. I know illegal immigration is a problem, but the fact is there is an AMERICAN child now, and they deserve all the benefits every other American has. I'd say let them stay, and when Americans clean up America and stop blaming everything on illegals, then maybe they can deal with that problem. Illegals are a scapegoat for a much larger problem.

And Grip, I'm seeing a pattern with your posts on other races that I'm not happy with. Quite frankly all I see is racist remarks about people you don't want to deal with.

So you deserve more rights than these people just because you were lucky enough to be born here from parents who were born or naturalized here? They're human beings. They're coming here because they have to, and they're doing or shitty jobs and getting almost nothing in return. They're desperate enough to risk their lives coming here, how can you just dismiss them so easily? It's not their fault they were born someplace shitty.

We're an entire country of immigrants, except the Native Americans who we stole the land from from. We started out as illegal immigrants.

And you have to understand that being pro-choice means allowing reproductive freedom, even if you personally disagree with that choice. The government has no place telling people how and when and if in the case of reproduction. That's their choice.



How is that a problem?



I'm going to have to agree that this is a serious problem, but I doubt that the illegal immigrants are entirely to blame. We'd have more money for these systems if we weren't wasting it in Iraq, but that's a different story...



In my area (San Diego) we have a lot of illegal immigration, but I'm seeing the crowding come from rich Anglos. Maybe I just don't see it because of the area I'm in, but I'm not seeing this supposed massive flood of human vermin everyone's freaking out about.



Pardon the pun, but it seems you're bordering on ethnocentrism here.

America does not have a national language. True, you really can't survive without English, but it's not the official language. And they're not trying to. Nobody's expecting you to learn Spanish except school. Because you
should study a foreign language. In most parts of the world, people speak or understand more than one language.



More like a series of larger problems, but yes. I'm just not seeing why everyone thinks the sky is falling. People are people. Yes, they should come here legally and pay taxes. But don't make the mistake we see so often in the pro-lifers. The world is not perfect. People are going to do things they shouldn't. The solution is not to punish, but to make the best of a bad situation. These people aren't freeloading and they sure as hell aren't depriving American citizens of anything. They're living on almost nothing.



The "But my best friend is ___!" Argument doesn't really work. We've all seen female misogynists and self-hating members of various races. We've seen people who are freinds with people who they should logically be enemies with.

And you're talking about a legal Chinese immigrant, not an illegal Mexican or Latin American immigrant. You don't know any of the people you're talking about, do you?

Excuse me? WE? I never did that, and I certainly hope that you didn't. My "people," didn't even do that, so I don't see how this bears any relevancy to the argument. It fails to address any of the problems or issues we are talking about.



So... you are saying that instead of dealing with the problem we should totally ignore it and just fund their illegal behavior with public funds?



Down here in Arizona, almost everything is printed in Spanish and English. Some things are just printed in Spanish. I'm talking about road signs, too. Plus, this is just the least of the problems.



nobody has any logical reason to be enemies with anybody... i don't get it.



Excuse me? Does that have any relevancy at all? I don't need to know them to know that they've raised my Public University's tuition by 300% over the last 5 years because we have to pay for their "in-state tuition." I don't need to know them to know that Hospitals are closing in my area because they just can't afford to stay in business with all the illegals getting free healthcare and the government not being able to afford to fix it. Is it fair that kids don't learn anything in school because 40% of the class doesn't speak English?

I'd continue but I'm tired.