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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:33 am
I believe in reincarnation myself, but yet I refuse to believe it's happened to me. I'm weird like that.
I want to know what you all think about, perhaps share past life experiences if you know of any?
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:27 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont I believe in reincarnation myself, but yet I refuse to believe it's happened to me. I'm weird like that. I want to know what you all think about, perhaps share past life experiences if you know of any? I certainly see past lives and future ones as entirely possible. I plainly wouldn't KNOW what my past life was so I don't really have much to say on who I must have been or whatever.
I'm not sure how you can believe in something and the refuse that it apply to you. Oh well.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:55 pm
Ok, this is my take on reincarnation:
God is a force or entity that we can't entirely comprehend. Each living being has a strand of God within himself/herself/itself. When one dies, that strand of God is what remains. So, in the sense that a part of me now has existed in another being before me and will exist in another being after me, yes I believe in reincarnation.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:54 pm
I'm hazy on this...to some degree I believe in reincarnation....but to some degree not. Let me see If I can explain (bear in mind my obvious gnostic influence) All things of Matter have a Spark of Sophia/spirit. Yet only a few forms the spirit takes shape in have the ability to be set free from Material Constraints. So if one Does not Achieve Gnosis (in this case the Separation of the spirit from the Dark forms of matter) then The go with the Matter. Gospel of Thomas 7. Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human." So all things go through this cycle of conversion of matter(to which the spirit must follow the matter it is attached to) until it is made again in the image of a form capable of setting it free. Then end of days, will be when the last of the Light as left the dark, and returned to Pleroma.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:04 pm
Perhaps I need to start a new thread, but Rookherst, do you feel that particular Gnostic view translates into a separation of mind from body (mind-body dualism, in which the material/immanent is devalued in favor of the spiritual/transcendent)?
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:57 pm
roothands Perhaps I need to start a new thread, but Rookherst, do you feel that particular Gnostic view translates into a separation of mind from body (mind-body dualism, in which the material/immanent is devalued in favor of the spiritual/transcendent)? Most assuredly. There are two Major Gnostic Illness... Psychicism: The worship of teh mind and the Emotonal soul Hyleticism: worship of matter. The Role of the Facilitators of Wholeness (Christ) is to exorcise these sickness b bringing knowledge of the Metacognitive. Body, Soul, Spirit.... The body of the Material Darkness The Soul the Mental personality deveopled...i.e:"The Me who has become..." and Spirt, the orginal spark of divine. The Inner self. The Meta Cognitive i.e: "The Me who was when first I was"
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:56 am
Rookherst[KOS] roothands Perhaps I need to start a new thread, but Rookherst, do you feel that particular Gnostic view translates into a separation of mind from body (mind-body dualism, in which the material/immanent is devalued in favor of the spiritual/transcendent)? Most assuredly. There are two Major Gnostic Illness... Psychicism: The worship of teh mind and the Emotonal soul Hyleticism: worship of matter. The Role of the Facilitators of Wholeness (Christ) is to exorcise these sickness b bringing knowledge of the Metacognitive. Body, Soul, Spirit.... The body of the Material Darkness The Soul the Mental personality deveopled...i.e:"The Me who has become..." and Spirt, the orginal spark of divine. The Inner self. The Meta Cognitive i.e: "The Me who was when first I was" So matter is, for lack of a better word, evil?
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:28 am
I guess the only way I can say it is non sum qualis eram.
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:28 am
roothands So matter is, for lack of a better word, evil? That's one word that Can be used(and has been). The more Appropriate word is "flawed". Both Body and Soul are from the Demiurge. Who is flawed, and all Vis creations flawed as well. Only Spirit is Pure, and Prefect. The perfect self.
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:27 pm
kleokriesel Ok, this is my take on reincarnation:
God is a force or entity that we can't entirely comprehend. Each living being has a strand of God within himself/herself/itself. When one dies, that strand of God is what remains. So, in the sense that a part of me now has existed in another being before me and will exist in another being after me, yes I believe in reincarnation. I believe what you are describing is Brahman, from hindu theology, and it is not a being but rather a force...or more of something like a force.
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:30 pm
Rookherst[KOS] roothands So matter is, for lack of a better word, evil? That's one word that Can be used(and has been). The more Appropriate word is "flawed". Both Body and Soul are from the Demiurge. Who is flawed, and all Vis creations flawed as well. Only Spirit is Pure, and Prefect. The perfect self. oh yea, I've heard of that before, that some Gnostics think all matter is evil...what the heck, then the Body is flawed as well...yes? then why did GOD bother to create humans with bodies anyways?
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:58 pm
NewFoundLight Rookherst[KOS] roothands So matter is, for lack of a better word, evil? That's one word that Can be used(and has been). The more Appropriate word is "flawed". Both Body and Soul are from the Demiurge. Who is flawed, and all Vis creations flawed as well. Only Spirit is Pure, and Prefect. The perfect self. oh yea, I've heard of that before, that some Gnostics think all matter is evil...what the heck, then the Body is flawed as well...yes? then why did GOD bother to create humans with bodies anyways? Moreover, feminist spiritualists have seen mind-body dualisms as being incredibly influential in the patriarchal devaluing of women and their bodies (since women were associated with the earth in ancient times, and therefore, matter).
I always saw the source of these ideas in Plato, but perhaps Plato was getting it from somewhere else. At its heart it isn't sexist, but you can see how the idea was used to support sexist practices over time.
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:19 am
Quote: oh yea, I've heard of that before, that some Gnostics think all matter is evil...what the heck, then the Body is flawed as well...yes? then why did GOD bother to create humans with bodies anyways? .....Cause Gnostic Teachings states that the "creator" of the material world is not "GOD", but an Ignorant entity that is God like. Quote: Moreover, feminist spiritualists have seen mind-body dualisms as being incredibly influential in the patriarchal devaluing of women and their bodies (since women were associated with the earth in ancient times, and therefore, matter). I'm not sure how that would work in Gnostic Practice as the Spirit (the pure) is Sophia.....a female entity. Quote: I always saw the source of these ideas in Plato, but perhaps Plato was getting it from somewhere else. the origins of Gnosticism have not been pined down but Plato was very gnostic, as was Pythagoras. Quote: At its heart it isn't sexist, but you can see how the idea was used to support sexist practices over time. I can see THAT it has happened. I can't see how...
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:47 am
NewFoundLight kleokriesel Ok, this is my take on reincarnation:
God is a force or entity that we can't entirely comprehend. Each living being has a strand of God within himself/herself/itself. When one dies, that strand of God is what remains. So, in the sense that a part of me now has existed in another being before me and will exist in another being after me, yes I believe in reincarnation. I believe what you are describing is Brahman, from hindu theology, and it is not a being but rather a force...or more of something like a force. Yup! I've been studying parts of Hinduism for years and it was then that I realized that this makes sense and feels right to me. There are other parts of Hinduism with which I disagree, though, so I can't identify as Hindu.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:03 am
Quote: oh yea, I've heard of that before, that some Gnostics think all matter is evil...what the heck, then the Body is flawed as well...yes? then why did GOD bother to create humans with bodies anyways? .....Cause Gnostic Teachings states that the "creator" of the material world is not "GOD", but an Ignorant entity that is God like. Quote: Ignorant entity...what the heck? explain.
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