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 Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:49 pm
Hey...can someone do this for me? I know some parts of it, but not the whole thing.
This is what I want to know:
~The Satan story. I know how he used to be lucifer and all that...but I need the full story. Where did he come from, what did he do, etc. etc.
-----I want to know everything he did in chronological order, in the order they happened.
I dont understand. I should know all this because I am christian and I go to church. I think i just need to pay more attention in church.
The reason I need to know this is because I'm planning on doing something. I might show you in the future if I end up doing it.
Please if someone can do this for me, briefly and in there own words, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks. smile
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:57 pm
Satan used to be an angel, an archangel from what I understand, but don't hold me to that. He was the most beautiful and he let it get to his head. He became so full of himself that he thought he could be like God and do a better job at what God does and so, having free will as all the angels do, he rebelled against God, leading 1/3 of the Heavenly host to do likewise. God caused Lucifer and the 1/3 of the angels that followed after him, to fall. The details of what happened between then and the temptation of Adam and Eve in the garden I don't know. You could always try Wikipedia.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:46 pm
Igloo9 Hey...can someone do this for me? I know some parts of it, but not the whole thing. This is what I want to know: ~The Satan story. I know how he used to be lucifer and all that...but I need the full story. Where did he come from, what did he do, etc. etc. -----I want to know everything he did in chronological order, in the order they happened. I dont understand. I should know all this because I am christian and I go to church. I think i just need to pay more attention in church. The reason I need to know this is because I'm planning on doing something. I might show you in the future if I end up doing it. Please if someone can do this for me, briefly and in there own words, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. smile A very good question. Please disregard my signature I have respect for your religion and my preferences should not hinder your reading.. Depending on which "Satan" you're talking about depends on which story you get. Fushigi Na gave a really good explanting of the "Angel" Satan. But there are many Satan’s and the Satan we know and love today, kidding kidding, is completely different from the Satan that originally was. There are different Satans; Celtic, Aztec, Egyptian, Name a culture they have a "Satan" Along with different versions of hell. Before Satan was the pointy nosed, horned pitchfork wielding guy in tights, he was a dog; a dog that hid under the earth and swallowed the "evil" people. But as time went on hell and Satan became more dramatized and more for lack of a better term became a form Propaganda. In the Dark Ages, everything but attending church would get you sent to hell. Eating meat on Friday was a sin punishable by eternal damnation. Satan and hell were used as money builders to scare people in to attending mass and paying their money in collection. At one point some churches even claimed to allow you to skip purgatory (based of the Egyptian after life trial where you good deeds [heart] was weighed against you bad deeds [brain]) and go straight to heaven. Now don't get me wrong by no means am I saying that every church did this and they all were monopolizing religion. There were many churches, Monasteries and nunneries that kept with the faith and didn't let money go to their head remember the bible quote "Money is the source of all evil"* If at anytime I offended you or contradicted your believes please state thus and I will formally apologize it is not my place to contest another’s faith these are the facts I have gathered and my opinions upon them. * (Money- monopolizing of religion based on fear. Evil- Satan and hell caused fear thus monopolization was gained through fear. Money=Evil)
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:41 pm
Twack There are different Satans; Celtic, Aztec, Egyptian, Name a culture they have a "Satan" Along with different versions of hell. No. there are many devils in many mythologies. Saying that there are many 'Satans' because of mythological similarities ('omg teh ebil!') is about as misinformed and outright offensive as saying that wodin is the main figure in every religion. Quote: In the Dark Ages, everything but attending church would get you sent to hell. Eating meat on Friday was a sin punishable by eternal damnation. Satan and hell were used as money builders to scare people in to attending mass and paying their money in collection. At one point some churches even claimed to allow you to skip purgatory (based of the Egyptian after life trial where you good deeds [heart] was weighed against you bad deeds [brain]) and go straight to heaven. dude, c** hoc ergo propter hoc is fallacious. Show a direct link between Egyptian mythology and catholicism and then you have a foot to stand on. Quote: Now don't get me wrong by no means am I saying that every church did this and they all were monopolizing religion. There were many churches, Monasteries and nunneries that kept with the faith and didn't let money go to their head remember the bible quote "Money is the source of all evil"* Wrong. The love of money is the source of all evil, so says 1 Timothy 6: 10Quote: If at anytime I offended you or contradicted your believes please state thus and I will formally apologize it is not my place to contest another’s faith these are the facts I have gathered and my opinions upon them. Don't apologize for having and stating an opinion, especially one based upon evidence. If you really need to apologize for stating an opinion, then you shouldn't state it in the first place.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:40 am
Cometh The Inquisitor Twack There are different Satans; Celtic, Aztec, Egyptian, Name a culture they have a "Satan" Along with different versions of hell. No. there are many devils in many mythologies. Saying that there are many 'Satans' because of mythological similarities ('omg teh ebil!') is about as misinformed and outright offensive as saying that wodin is the main figure in every religion. note the apostrophes, thus I never say ever religion calls their negative influence / controller of negative afterlife Satan. I was using 'Satan' because that is who he asked about. Cometh The Inquisitor Quote: In the Dark Ages, everything but attending church would get you sent to hell. Eating meat on Friday was a sin punishable by eternal damnation. Satan and hell were used as money builders to scare people in to attending mass and paying their money in collection. At one point some churches even claimed to allow you to skip purgatory (based of the Egyptian after life trial where you good deeds [heart] was weighed against you bad deeds [brain]) and go straight to heaven. dude, c** hoc ergo propter hoc is fallacious. Show a direct link between Egyptian mythology and catholicism and then you have a foot to stand on. Personal opinion: It is my assumption that the church of England got the idea of purgatory from the Egyptian culture. Because prior to when purgatory was instated the halo which looks similar to the sun disk was added to Christian arts. Cometh The Inquisitor Quote: Now don't get me wrong by no means am I saying that every church did this and they all were monopolizing religion. There were many churches, Monasteries and nunneries that kept with the faith and didn't let money go to their head remember the bible quote "Money is the source of all evil"* Wrong. The love of money is the source of all evil, so says 1 Timothy 6: 10Ok i miss quoted but the same message is still carried by this. Cometh The Inquisitor Quote: If at anytime I offended you or contradicted your believes please state thus and I will formally apologize it is not my place to contest another’s faith these are the facts I have gathered and my opinions upon them. Don't apologize for having and stating an opinion, especially one based upon evidence. If you really need to apologize for stating an opinion, then you shouldn't state it in the first place. I have yet to apologize for anything
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:56 pm
Twack note the apostrophes, thus I never say ever religion calls their negative influence / controller of negative afterlife Satan. I was using 'Satan' because that is who he asked about. Then talk about Satan, and not Yama, Frejya, Anubis, or some other under worldly deity. Quote: Personal opinion: It is my assumption that the church of England got the idea of purgatory from the Egyptian culture. Because prior to when purgatory was instated the halo which looks similar to the sun disk was added to Christian arts.[/qu9ote] Then don't state it as fact. Quote: I have yet to apologize for anything It was advice for the future.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:33 pm
Fushigi na Butterfly Satan used to be an angel, an archangel from what I understand, but don't hold me to that. He was the most beautiful and he let it get to his head. He became so full of himself that he thought he could be like God and do a better job at what God does and so, having free will as all the angels do, he rebelled against God, leading 1/3 of the Heavenly host to do likewise. God caused Lucifer and the 1/3 of the angels that followed after him, to fall. The details of what happened between then and the temptation of Adam and Eve in the garden I don't know. You could always try Wikipedia. where did it say 1/3 of the angels followed Lucifer? I'm not saying your wrong or anything, I just want to know where it is for future referance. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:43 pm
It doesn't exactly say that in the Bible (though there are references to 1/3 of the stars being swept from Heaven and all that in Revelation), so it may just be a generalized assumption that isn't true. It could also be one of those things that only the Rabbinical texts covers, like Adam's supposed first wife, Lillith. Not in the Bible, but certain Rabbinical texts allude to the two accounts of creation being that Lillith was the first Woman mentioned in the first story of creation, and Eve was the second mentioned in the more elaborated upon version. I'm not sure how true this is though. I'm not a bliblical scholar or anything like that (though, maybe, one day xd ).
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:45 am
I have only heard "lillith" refered to as a deamon or as satan's wife. But I looked it up on wikipedia and there is a referece to her hereFrom Wikipedia Lilith as Adam's first wife A medieval reference to Lilith as the first wife of Adam is the anonymous The Alphabet of Ben-Sira, written sometime between the 8th and 11th centuries. Lilith is described as refusing to assume a subservient role to Adam during sexual intercourse and so deserting him ("She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom position, while I am to be the superior one.'"). Lilith promptly uttered the name of God, took to the air, and left the Garden, settling on the Red Sea coast. In this act, Lilith becomes unique in that she is not touched by Original Sin, having left the garden before Eve came into existence. Lilith also reveals herself to be powerful in her own right by knowing the name of God. Lilith then went on to mate with Samael and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin. Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels. She did not return to Adam. The background and purpose of The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is unclear. It is a collection of stories about heroes of the Bible and Talmud, it may have been a collection of folk-tales, a refutation of Christian, Karaite, or other separatist movements; its content seems so offensive to contemporary Jews that it was even suggested that it could be an anti-Jewish satire [10], although, in any case, the text was accepted by the Jewish mystics of medieval Germany. The Alphabet of Ben-Sira is the earliest surviving source of the story, and the conception that Lilith was Adam's first wife became only widely known with the 17th century Lexicon Talmudicum of Johannes Buxtorf. In the late 19th century, the Scottish Christian author George MacDonald incorporated the story of Lilith as Adam's first wife and predator of Eve's children into a mythopoeic fantasy novel in the Romantic style. Lilith also appears as the ancestor of Jadis, the White Witch, in C.S. Lewis's "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe", the first of the Chronicles of Narnia.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:33 am
I search lilith on bible.org, it said see night monster bible.org I. The Accepted Translation. The term "night-monster"' is a hypothetical translation of the Hebrew term lilith, used once only, in Isa 34:14. The word is translated in the King James Version "screech-owl," margin "night monster," the Revised Version (British and American) "night-monster," margin "Lilith." The term "night-monster" is also an interpretation, inasmuch as it implies that the Hebrew word is a Babylonian loan-word, and that the reference indicates a survival of primitive folklore. 1. Professor Rogers' Statement: Concerning this weird superstition, and its strange, single appearance in the Book of Isaiah, Professor Rogers has this to say: "The lil, or ghost, was a night-demon of terrible and baleful influence upon men, and only to be cast out with many incantations. The lil was attended by a serving maid, the ardat lili ("maid of night"), which in the Semitic development was transferred into the feminine lilitu. It is most curious and interesting to observe that this ghost-demon lived on through the history of the Babylonian religion, and was carried out into the Hebrew religion, there to find one single mention in the words of one of the Hebrew prophets" (Religions of Assyria and Babylonia, 76, 77). 2. Exception to the Statement: Exception is to be taken to this statement, admitting the etymological assumption upon which it rests, that "lilith" is a word in mythology, on the ground that the conception of a night-demon has no place in the religion of the Hebrews as exhibited in the Scriptures. It is certainly worthy of more than passing notice that a conception which is very prominent in the Babylonian mythology, and is worked out with great fullness of doctrinal and ritualistic detail, has, among the Hebrews, so far receded into the background as to receive but one mention in the Bible, and that a bald citation without detail in a highly poetic passage. The most that can possibly be said, with safety, is that if the passage in Isa is to be taken as a survival of folklore, it is analogous to those survivals of obsolete ideas still to be found in current speech, and in the literature of the modern world (see LUNATIC). There is no evidence of active participation in this belief, or even of interest in it as such, on the part of the prophetical writer. On the contrary, the nature of the reference implies that the word was used simply to add a picturesque detail to a vivid, imaginative description. All positive evidence of Hebrew participation in this belief belongs to a later date (see Buxtorf's Lexicon, under the word "Talmud").
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:13 am
As far as satan goes, there are passages that are believed to be the story of his down fall used to describe simillar situations with the kings of that day.
Exekiel 28:11-19, Isaiah 14:12-17
Keep in mind Lucifer was also considered the morning star before his fall.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:14 pm
Lucifer is often said to have been an archangel, but he was in fact a Cherub, one of a high specialized order of angels which stand over, under and around the Throne of God. There are descriptions of the cherubim in the Book of Ezekial and the Book of Revelation. Both Ezekial and John describe them in slightly different ways because they Ez.are obviously difficult creatures to describe. Lucifer seems to have been the cherub that was above the throne of God.
The Book of Ezekial, using the infamous earthly King of Tyre as a metaphor in previous poassages, gives us this description of Lucifer:
Ezekial 28: 11-19
11 The word of the LORD came to me:
12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
" 'You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.' "
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:13 pm
granted giving him scripture does help! but ti does not answer his question!
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:31 pm
I would suggest reading Paradise Lost. The first half is from Satan's perspective.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:53 pm
Lethkhar I would suggest reading Paradise Lost. The first half is from Satan's perspective. One of my friends read that book and said that it was n't very good!
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