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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:05 pm


Okay, I really have become fed up with something I've noticed. Religions getting titled by the general populace in ways that can be considered condenscending, or hurtful.

For example, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints frequently is reffered to as mormonism out of ignorance. I've grown to dislike this. Call it the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or call it LDS, mormonism was given to the church by the general ((Ignorant and unknowing)) populace.

I know this is mostly a rant, but I have a question, has your religious preference been mistitled by the general populace as well? If so, what names are used, what's the proper name, and how do you feel about it?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:19 pm


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Okay, I really have become fed up with something I've noticed. Religions getting titled by the general populace in ways that can be considered condenscending, or hurtful.

For example, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints frequently is reffered to as mormonism out of ignorance. I've grown to dislike this. Call it the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or call it LDS, mormonism was given to the church by the general ((Ignorant and unknowing)) populace.

I know this is mostly a rant, but I have a question, has your religious preference been mistitled by the general populace as well? If so, what names are used, what's the proper name, and how do you feel about it?

During the year that I was a member of the LDS Church, the members refered to themselves as "Mormons" from time to time, and I refered to the Church as the "Mormon Church" without incident. Even when I was a member of the LDS Church I didn't find it offensive to refer to it as "Mormonism". I'm a Valentinian Gnostic Christian, and I don't find it the least bit offensive when it is refered to as "Gnosticism".

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:23 pm


I know the members do, which I find worse. The leaders of the church try to move us away from the name. It has negative connotations in this world. I feel, if you are a member of a belief system, call it like it is. Now, I'm Pagan. Or more, converting to... I have a lot to learn. Anyway, I still would prefer to know the name of what it is I believe and use it properly. **Shrug** I guess being a nut case for symbolism that names are tacked on to the rest of it. A name is as much a symbol as a color or design.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:50 pm


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I know the members do, which I find worse. The leaders of the church try to move us away from the name. It has negative connotations in this world. I feel, if you are a member of a belief system, call it like it is. Now, I'm Pagan. Or more, converting to... I have a lot to learn. Anyway, I still would prefer to know the name of what it is I believe and use it properly. **Shrug** I guess being a nut case for symbolism that names are tacked on to the rest of it. A name is as much a symbol as a color or design.
Well, I'm guilty of that myself. Not "Mormonism", but I have said "mormon(s)." I never knew that bugged members of the Church of Latter Day Saints, so sorry. sweatdrop

I get annoyed when people say "Baha'ism", so I know how you feel.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:42 pm


Err... I get irritated when people call me a Wiccanist. I'm like, "Wtf? what's that, racist against Wiccans or something? 'Cause I'm sure as hell not..."

*sigh*
PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:11 pm


Heh.. I'm guilty of that. That's how I hear my Mormon friends refer to it, so I just naturally picked it up. Or..would they be Latter Day Saints? sweatdrop sweatdrop Sorry, I'm really not trying to be offensive here.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 2:08 am


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Heh.. I'm guilty of that. That's how I hear my Mormon friends refer to it, so I just naturally picked it up. Or..would they be Latter Day Saints? sweatdrop sweatdrop Sorry, I'm really not trying to be offensive here.


Yes, many have taken to using Mormons... I use it as a last resort. I usually say I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then I say LDS, and if I still get a puzzled look I say Mormon. But yeah, Latter Day Saint would be the best term for it.

Oh and that Wiccanist thing... makes no sense, considering the word is both religion and the title used for a member. Someone follows Wicca, is Wicca. There's no other way to put it from what I've read...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:43 pm


I know it's not very common anymore but before people used to call the followers of Islam: Mohammadenism.

I mean, we Muslims may love our Prophet (pbuh), we will give our life for him but we don't worship the prophet.

If there was such a fool who worshipped Muhammad (pbuh) then he's definately in error and he wouldn't be considered following Islam.

The followers of Islam are called Muslims.

I'm very glad it's known now, moreso than before. smile

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:24 pm


Oookay, this is probably *way* off, but... the only stories I've heard about Mormons (or LDS, as you prefer) is that birth control is like the biggest sin ever, and they're really strict, and really sexist.

And about Islam... well, again with the sexism and racism...

I don't mean to offend anyone, but... I'm just saying that's all I've heard about it. Once again, I'm sure that I'm probably so far off the mark that I can't even see the mark anymore, but... well, if someone could give me a bit of info? That'd be great... 3nodding
PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:34 pm


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Oookay, this is probably *way* off, but... the only stories I've heard about Mormons (or LDS, as you prefer) is that birth control is like the biggest sin ever, and they're really strict, and really sexist.

And about Islam... well, again with the sexism and racism...

I don't mean to offend anyone, but... I'm just saying that's all I've heard about it. Once again, I'm sure that I'm probably so far off the mark that I can't even see the mark anymore, but... well, if someone could give me a bit of info? That'd be great... 3nodding


Well, birth control is not condoned by the church. But, the sexism thing. The teaching is in the church that males are made priesthood holders because women are the mothers. AKA, the mothers of the church actually have alot of power because they raise the children, therefore being able to shape their views early. If the women also were priesthood holders, the balance of power would be heavy towards females. ((It actually makes sense if you think about it.))

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:31 am


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Heh.. I'm guilty of that. That's how I hear my Mormon friends refer to it, so I just naturally picked it up. Or..would they be Latter Day Saints? sweatdrop sweatdrop Sorry, I'm really not trying to be offensive here.


Yes, many have taken to using Mormons... I use it as a last resort. I usually say I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then I say LDS, and if I still get a puzzled look I say Mormon. But yeah, Latter Day Saint would be the best term for it.

Oh and that Wiccanist thing... makes no sense, considering the word is both religion and the title used for a member. Someone follows Wicca, is Wicca. There's no other way to put it from what I've read...


You're wrong, they aren't called a wicca, they are called wiccan. And you practice wicca.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:18 pm


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Heh.. I'm guilty of that. That's how I hear my Mormon friends refer to it, so I just naturally picked it up. Or..would they be Latter Day Saints? sweatdrop sweatdrop Sorry, I'm really not trying to be offensive here.


Yes, many have taken to using Mormons... I use it as a last resort. I usually say I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then I say LDS, and if I still get a puzzled look I say Mormon. But yeah, Latter Day Saint would be the best term for it.

Oh and that Wiccanist thing... makes no sense, considering the word is both religion and the title used for a member. Someone follows Wicca, is Wicca. There's no other way to put it from what I've read...


You're wrong, they aren't called a wicca, they are called wiccan. And you practice wicca.


Thank you for correcting me. Even the intelligent need to be informed of being incorrect.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:49 pm


I am wiccan, and it makes me really upset that people are always asking if i worship satan. And i have a gorgeous pentagram necklace that means a lot to me and people will look at it and go, so you worship the devil or something?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:26 am


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Someone follows Wicca, is Wicca. There's no other way to put it from what I've read...


You're wrong, they aren't called a wicca, they are called wiccan. And you practice wicca.


Actually, that's true today, and I also correct people when they say "Wicca" instead of "Wiccan" but words change over time, and in the case of this word, just twenty years ago Wicca DID mean a practitioner of the religion. The term was even used by such notable figures in the history of Neo-Paganism as Raymond Buckland and Margot Addler. Another interesting thing to note, Gerald Gardner, the man responsible for bringing Paganism out into the open in the 1950s used to refer to *any* practitioner of witchcraft as a wicca.

And while I'm on the subject, Wicca is a word that originated with a misplaced meaning. The word originated from "wica" which is a male practitioner of the old ways. The female term was "wice". They both meant what today's word "witch" means. And in fact, the word witch originated from "wice". Those three words themselves, in the very beginning literally meant wise.

Another example is the word Pagan. In pre-Christian and early Christian times, the word pagan was used to describe someone who lived far off in the country, or "backwood" if you will. The word pagan was comparable to today's word "hick", meant as a minor insult. During the rise of Christianity in Europe, people living in the distant country areas. Custom already refered to these people as pagans, and because of that, it came true that these "pagans" were witches. This meaning stuck and a thousand years later, during the Neo-Pagan movement, people continue to use this word. While I understand that the word was an insult a long time ago in the first place, I feel perfectly comfortable using it to describe myself.

The word "heathen" has a nearly identical origin. Many Asatru today refer to themselves as Heathens in the same way Wiccans call themselves Pagans.

One word that I can't stand though it the word "warlock". I believe it's a gaelic word (not sure on this). It means "arrogant one" or "rude one". How the term came to mean male witch, I will never know, but you will never find me calling myself a warlock. xp

So, (to Tora Hikari) I definatley see what you're saying with the LDS/Mormon subject, but keep in mind, words change over time, whether it's from positive to negative or vice versa.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:35 am


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One word that I can't stand though it the word "warlock". I believe it's a gaelic word (not sure on this). It means "arrogant one" or "rude one". How the term came to mean male witch, I will never know, but you will never find me calling myself a warlock. xp


Funny thing... I heard my pagan friends use the term worlock to mean a pagan/witch that returned to Christianity with their beliefs of the other ways still in tact. Basically, becoming a traitor and fighting against what they are/were.

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So, (to Tora Hikari) I definatley see what you're saying with the LDS/Mormon subject, but keep in mind, words change over time, whether it's from positive to negative or vice versa.


You have a very good point. And much of my knowledge of Wicca comes from Raymond Buckland, so you see where my thought of the word Wicca being correct comes from. I guess I was just ranting in a random way... but I must admit... it somehow sparked a wonderful conversation as short as it is.
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