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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:10 pm
Yes, this is very early to start a new thread, and to become an X-Skeptic. But, would you help me out and: 1. Explain what Wiccan is 2. How do I do "spells" that won't send a Christian to Hell 3. I am pestimistic, does this affect anything. Seeing that I tried a "lonely person" spell, so they wouldn't be lonely, and I could only see an isolated, sobbing person in an empty dark room. 4. Explain more aobut Magick. 5. How do I do this!!!???!!!
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:19 pm
1. To answer your first question. A Wiccan is a person who practices Wicca. Maybe you should edit your post and change "Wiccan" to "Wicca"... yes, there is a difference, which has just been stated.
2. Wiccans don't believe in Hell, therefore, no spell will send us to Hell. But, you being a Christian and all... if you believe everything that is in the bible, then any spell, even if it's to heal something, will send you to Hell. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
3. I always get the terms "pessimist" and "optomist" confused. Could you please explain to me which one is which, as I am too lazy to look it up? Thank you!
4. I'll let someone else explain this one to you... I'm getting tired of typing. Also, feel free to look around our Library subforum and our Academy subforum... lots and lots of useful information.
5. How do you do what exactly?
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:33 pm
dark_angel_32189 1. To answer your first question. A Wiccan is a person who practices Wicca. Maybe you should edit your post and change "Wiccan" to "Wicca"... yes, there is a difference, which has just been stated. Yes, that is what I want to know Quote: 2. Wiccans don't believe in Hell, therefore, no spell will send us to Hell. But, you being a Christian and all... if you believe everything that is in the bible, then any spell, even if it's to heal something, will send you to Hell. Please correct me if I'm wrong. What do you beleif happens after death? And I soppose any sin can be forgiven. Maybe I can talk to God again and ask. If it was infact talking...NO! I TALKED TO GOD! Quote: 3. I always get the terms "pessimist" and "optomist" confused. Could you please explain to me which one is which, as I am too lazy to look it up? Thank you! Pessimist is looking at the cup half empty, omptomist is looking at the cup half full. Quote: 4. I'll let someone else explain this one to you... I'm getting tired of typing. Also, feel free to look around our Library subforum and our Academy subforum... lots and lots of useful information. Quote: 5. How do you do what exactly? MAGICK! ANYTHING SUPERNATURAL!
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:37 pm
We believe in reincarnation... meaning that we are reborn after we die. In between lives we go to a place called Summerland and prepare for our next life.
We don't really follow that whole sin thing... we believe in Karma, which means that if you do something bad than something bad will later happen to you in return or if you do something good that something good will later happen to you in return.
I don't believe that being a pessimist would have any effect. But, perhaps being an optimist would be more helpful?
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:52 pm
dark_angel_32189 We believe in reincarnation... meaning that we are reborn after we die. In between lives we go to a place called Summerland and prepare for our next life. We don't really follow that whole sin thing... we believe in Karma, which means that if you do something bad than something bad will later happen to you in return or if you do something good that something good will later happen to you in return. I don't believe that being a pessimist would have any effect. But, perhaps being an optimist would be more helpful? Ikes, I might be Wiccan after all! I always beleived, or hoped, that we would have other lives. Heavan would seem to get boring after, uh, forever.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:03 pm
Wiccans aren't the only ones who believe in reincarnation. And just because you believe in reincarnation, doesn't mean that you're Wiccan. Wicca is a religion. And just like Christianity, well sorta, it has to be the chosen path by the person. And, unlike Christianity, you can't just pick up one book and say I believe in the God and Goddess and be Wiccan.... at least not in my opinion and in the opinion of many others (so I've heard).
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:14 pm
dark_angel_32189 Wiccans aren't the only ones who believe in reincarnation. And just because you believe in reincarnation, doesn't mean that you're Wiccan. Wicca is a religion. And just like Christianity, well sorta, it has to be the chosen path by the person. And, unlike Christianity, you can't just pick up one book and say I believe in the God and Goddess and be Wiccan.... at least not in my opinion and in the opinion of many others (so I've heard). I think in my belief, all religions are truly one. Up until the invention of Aethism, everyone beleived in a god of a sort, a heavan of a sort, and a hell of a sort. Why? Because either everyone is correct in atleast one way, or there is a True Religion that fell and broke into the various religions of today. This would of happened probably shortly after Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden, and once we can reenter the Garded, we will once again be unified in the True Religion. PS-Don't think about infinity and whatnot. I have been cursed with the burden of thinking about it all, against my will. At Church Camp, a counsleour "healed" me for up to probably the beginning of December. Now I am cursed again.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:14 pm
Okay I think I can help you in this little situation. I was born in a christan family, went to church since childhood. But last year that all changed, when I saw a talismin on a girls neck. I found out what it was and I was interested. At first I was sacred. But I found comfert. But still I was skeptical. I am still skeptical, because I am agnostic. I belive not only in the wiccan gods, but the hindu, and the taoist. But still Witchcraft is nothing the Bible sais it is. The only reason it states that witches will go to hell is because they get there power from the devil. But hell we dont belive in the devil so what the #@#$. rofl . But yes we do belive in reincarnation. And Karma is real. But dont get put off by christianity. Dont. Plus the bible was malipulated and changed over the years that it is in no way the same as the original text. So yes it was a good thing you joined this guild. We will help you and teach you and celabrate. And may the gods bless you.
Blessed be.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:18 pm
Very nicely put Baluk... 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:29 pm
baluk15 Okay I think I can help you in this little situation. I was born in a christan family, went to church since childhood. But last year that all changed, when I saw a talismin on a girls neck. I found out what it was and I was interested. At first I was sacred. But I found comfert. But still I was skeptical. I am still skeptical, because I am agnostic. I belive not only in the wiccan gods, but the hindu, and the taoist. But still Witchcraft is nothing the Bible sais it is. The only reason it states that witches will go to hell is because they get there power from the devil. But hell we dont belive in the devil so what the #@#$. rofl . But yes we do belive in reincarnation. And Karma is real. But dont get put off by christianity. Dont. Plus the bible was malipulated and changed over the years that it is in no way the same as the original text. So yes it was a good thing you joined this guild. We will help you and teach you and celabrate. And may the gods bless you. Blessed be. I believe God has made it so the Bible has stayed the same [messages]. I always say to my self "I will sell all to the devil but my soul." This is pretty much to gain power and all and to fool the evil inside me, but it doesn't work. I am still just an Insomniac Weak unpopular kid. But yes, if there is any way that you all could teach me some spells and all that wouldn't prevent me from going to heavan. I am always going to speak as if (as in my belief) all I say is real, just as I hope you speak as your beliefs are the truth.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:34 pm
Our beliefs are true to ourselves. We know that just because we believe something doesn't make it true for other people and we don't flatout tell other people that their beliefs are wrong, we might disagree with them yes, but we never flatout tell them they're wrong, because then we'd be hiporcrytes (I know I totally just butchered the spelling in that word). At least that's how a lot (maybe not all) of people in this guild and in Wicca are.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:12 pm
I heart Wiccans! Finally! People with acceptance!
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:46 pm
Urishima Kazama baluk15 Okay I think I can help you in this little situation. I was born in a christan family, went to church since childhood. But last year that all changed, when I saw a talismin on a girls neck. I found out what it was and I was interested. At first I was sacred. But I found comfert. But still I was skeptical. I am still skeptical, because I am agnostic. I belive not only in the wiccan gods, but the hindu, and the taoist. But still Witchcraft is nothing the Bible sais it is. The only reason it states that witches will go to hell is because they get there power from the devil. But hell we dont belive in the devil so what the #@#$. rofl . But yes we do belive in reincarnation. And Karma is real. But dont get put off by christianity. Dont. Plus the bible was malipulated and changed over the years that it is in no way the same as the original text. So yes it was a good thing you joined this guild. We will help you and teach you and celabrate. And may the gods bless you. Blessed be. I believe God has made it so the Bible has stayed the same [messages]. I always say to my self "I will sell all to the devil but my soul." This is pretty much to gain power and all and to fool the evil inside me, but it doesn't work. I am still just an Insomniac Weak unpopular kid. But yes, if there is any way that you all could teach me some spells and all that wouldn't prevent me from going to heavan. I am always going to speak as if (as in my belief) all I say is real, just as I hope you speak as your beliefs are the truth. Alright I am not saying your belifes are wrong but I have learned that messing around in dark arts, and black magic. Is something you dont want to do. The Devil in my mind is just a consperacy brought up by christains to scare them to belive or to go to hell. And get rosted on his pitch fork. But I do belive in Yin eniergies. Negative energies. And I was involved in them for some long time. You dont want to go there. And I hate when people say this. YOU ARE NOT WEAK. Do you think you stumbled onto this guild by qouincedence no. You were ment to learn from us. And you have agift for this life. Im not saying your not going to be poplular in school and all. Hell Im not. But you do have greter calling and members like me of this guild includeing the admins, Will help you unlock what special purpose you have in life.
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:05 pm
baluk15 Urishima Kazama baluk15 Okay I think I can help you in this little situation. I was born in a christan family, went to church since childhood. But last year that all changed, when I saw a talismin on a girls neck. I found out what it was and I was interested. At first I was sacred. But I found comfert. But still I was skeptical. I am still skeptical, because I am agnostic. I belive not only in the wiccan gods, but the hindu, and the taoist. But still Witchcraft is nothing the Bible sais it is. The only reason it states that witches will go to hell is because they get there power from the devil. But hell we dont belive in the devil so what the #@#$. rofl . But yes we do belive in reincarnation. And Karma is real. But dont get put off by christianity. Dont. Plus the bible was malipulated and changed over the years that it is in no way the same as the original text. So yes it was a good thing you joined this guild. We will help you and teach you and celabrate. And may the gods bless you. Blessed be. I believe God has made it so the Bible has stayed the same [messages]. I always say to my self "I will sell all to the devil but my soul." This is pretty much to gain power and all and to fool the evil inside me, but it doesn't work. I am still just an Insomniac Weak unpopular kid. But yes, if there is any way that you all could teach me some spells and all that wouldn't prevent me from going to heavan. I am always going to speak as if (as in my belief) all I say is real, just as I hope you speak as your beliefs are the truth. Alright I am not saying your belifes are wrong but I have learned that messing around in dark arts, and black magic. Is something you dont want to do. The Devil in my mind is just a consperacy brought up by christains to scare them to belive or to go to hell. And get rosted on his pitch fork. But I do belive in Yin eniergies. Negative energies. And I was involved in them for some long time. You dont want to go there. And I hate when people say this. YOU ARE NOT WEAK. Do you think you stumbled onto this guild by qouincedence no. You were ment to learn from us. And you have agift for this life. Im not saying your not going to be poplular in school and all. Hell Im not. But you do have greter calling and members like me of this guild includeing the admins, Will help you unlock what special purpose you have in life. @Devil conspeiricy: except it was before Christianity @2nd para: I stumbled upon this guild looking for affiliates, and ended up joining because it said party. mystery solved, nothing magical.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:50 am
Technically speaking, the devil did exist before Christianity because the Jews believed in him. That is, if you consider Lucifer, the Devil and Satan to be the same things. The Bible, has in fact, been tampered with. For one, it's only a translation. Any translator is capable of mistakes. There are also essays and stories that have once been in the Bible, but are no longer, are known as the Apokrypha and are widely available. Try asking in your library, or googling on the Internet. One option, and one of the few I trust, is this. Or [ x].If you still chose to believe that it isn't true, then you can bury yourself in the history books and read about the Council of Trent. After you know all that, it's your choice if you chose to believe in history as it happened, or not. And like I said before, the Vulgate is only a translation. The originals were in Hebrew and Aramaic. If I'm not mistaken there was also a greek translation before that. Meaning the english Bible is just a translation of a translation (possibly, of a translation). My point being, any translator can make mistakes. [ x] The messages of the Bible definitely aren't bad though. How history interpreted it, is a little extreme, but you get extremes everywhere. If you take it with a grain of salt, it's all good. To each his own. I don't believe in heaven, I don't believe in hell. Faith is usually raised on you and it was never raised on me. I like Christianity for the stories, I like all sorts of mythologies and fairy tales. I don't like Christian bashing and I find it stupid how most newbies, when they come to Wicca, reject everything that even remotely smells of Judeo-Christianity. I was rather surprised to see you didn't. I think baluk's point was what a lot of us believe, that there are no coincidences. It usually comes tied to the belief of fate, a task to do in your life, or something equally mind blowing. A lot of people don't like that thought because they're scared of not being in control of their lives... And there's a lot of people who like the thought because they prefer to blame it on some higher entity or an abstract idea, such as fate.
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