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Is paneling importnat for manga?
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RedSparrow

PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:41 pm


Now, paneling is not very hard. There are very specific rules to follow with panelling, that should be considered along with flow. Keep these rules in mind when laying out your pages

Now, if you intend to put your manga into a book, you must take into account which pages go where. For example, when you open the book, which page are you gonna have the actual art on first? If you're doing an online webcomic, then this is a little less important.

Now, I want you to grab a manga book. Anyone, it shouldnt matter. Now, open it to any page (preferably one that isnt a title illustration) Now, notice that no art ever goes into the gutter of the book. The gutter is the part of the book where the pages are glued into. now, there are a few exceptions to this rule:

1. art can cross the gutter when the illustration covers 2 pages.
2. when the art is considered to be so shocking or jarring that it covers the entire page. For example: when Scar destroys Edwards arm in volume 2 of FMA, that image covers the entire page.

Basically, depending on which side of the page the art will be on, you cannot cross that line. however, the other sides of the page have different rules.

now, panels can bleed off the page depending on content. for general every day panels where the content is very normal, the panels should generally stay within the page. However, is something of importance happens, you can have the panels bleed off the page. Sometimes you can contain important scenes and keep them from bleeding off the page, but be judicious.

now, when a panel bleeds off the page, flow dictates that the person's eye is also carried off the page. So, its a bad idea to have all of your panels bleeding off the page if you intend to carry the readers eye to the next page. keep in mind which direction the eye reads in.

now, some scenes are not even contained in panel lines. these are either so extreme that they can't be contained, they have something that might not relate to the rest of the art, or in terms of shoujo manga, they are open to have a sense of freedom. the artwork isnt in a box so its considered more free, but the content can range from a poetic scene to something horrifying.

here are 2 pages of mine for examples in these principles.

Left Hand Page
right hand page

if you have any questions, post them here. sorry if this is a little long winded, but I think paneling is very important for magna.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:03 pm


Wewt! Sweet tutorial, Red.
Although, I'd like to ask, how do you figure out what kinds of panels to use in different scenes?

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RedSparrow

PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:27 pm


THanks Kupo ^_^

Panel shape depends on content. Most people are familiar with the square and rectangular panels. These ones are the kind that are use most often. when the scene is calm and nothing of extreme importance is happening.

But when an action scene occurs, panel lines can be drawn diagonally so that the scene can have more weight to it. when used along with the art and flow, these panels can be the most memorable. sometimes people do use these kinds of panels as a change of pace, but try to use them for important scenes.

Heres another example of what I mean by slanted panels. you've probably have all seen them, but heres an example anyhow razz

Action!

I think i said this if the flow thread but I'll mention it again here. PLAN OUT YOUR MANGA LAYOUT AHEAD OF TIME. Draw out story boards so that you know what the characters will do on everypage and set up your panels accordingly. That way, you can have a flow, use effective panels, and have a scene that you already know is gonna turn out well. also plan out an entire chapter so you'll know how much content you can fit in there.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:01 am



Oops. I never plan my manga pages ahead of time. XD;;;

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:36 am


yeah! u finally are sharing ur skills with the world.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:50 pm


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well if you look at manga long enough, you start to notice these things razz plus it'll be nice seeing some really good manga being put out.

RedSparrow


Skullyvan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:35 pm


Alright, you seem to be giving off some good advise, so I'm going to ask you for some. I'm a decent artist, and I've got storylines spilling out of my head, it's so pack. Anyway, my problem is, I can't draw in small panels, well it really doesn't matter the size, it's just panels in general. It's like I freak out, I can only draw what's in my head if I have the whole page to work with like one HUGE panel. So, now I'm asking...What should I do? How can I train myself to be able to draw in panels? Your help would be appreciated greatly. Thanks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:26 pm


Well, I can think of a couple of ways you could overcome this problem.

1. Practice. I would honestly just keep at it until you can work in a smaller scale, which is tricky at first. Draw out storyboards so that you know what will happen in the panel and then adjust like that.

2. what you can start doing is draw your art on a full size sheet of paper and then digitally set it on the page. like, scan it in at a really high dpi, then you can scale it downso that it fits in your panel lines.

3. Get yourself some tracing paper and try tracing panels from other manga. get something big to start with like a shonen jump or a shoujo beat (whichever you prefer) and trace all the art on the page so that you can get used to seeing art at that size.

Thats all i can think of right now, hopefully that will help you somewhat.

RedSparrow


Gonbe

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:08 am


Skullyvan
Alright, you seem to be giving off some good advise, so I'm going to ask you for some. I'm a decent artist, and I've got storylines spilling out of my head, it's so pack. Anyway, my problem is, I can't draw in small panels, well it really doesn't matter the size, it's just panels in general. It's like I freak out, I can only draw what's in my head if I have the whole page to work with like one HUGE panel. So, now I'm asking...What should I do? How can I train myself to be able to draw in panels? Your help would be appreciated greatly. Thanks.


You don't need to fit absolutely everything into a small panel to show that something is happening. Sometimes only a face, or a hand, or a small bit of something else is sufficient. If you have trouble fitting a face into a small panel (as I still do), you can just simplify the face. If you try to fit everything that you usually do in a big picture into a small picture, it will look crowded.

An easy way of doing things is just to use a small pen size, rofl.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:09 pm


I don't think I'm really all that bad at paneling. I think I might need more help on it. I own mostly Shonen type mangas and I've noticed that Shojo and Shonen manga both have different types of paneling.
I'm not really sure what genre mine would fit in but I find I have major troubles drawing text bubbles. Drawing them out and inking them doesn't seem to be working for me, I personally see nothing but errors.
Text bubble placement is also crutial to paneling, I believe. Are there any tips you could give on that.

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to be asking this. I'll look around to see if I can post this question elsewhere as well.

Thank you for your time!

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Gonbe

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:37 am


Uh... well...
You probably know this, but a general rule of thumb is to place them in the order you want them read. That is, left-right (please don't make it right-left, unless it's in an Asian language... I really dislike that), and top to bottom. You can also do those sorta multiple joined text bubbles if you want your char. to say something a bit longer... it looks too full if you have too many sentences in one text bubble, and tiresome to read. Those multi-text bubbles are also handy for helping you flow from one panel to next, if your paneling is confusing sometimes (like me) if you connect two panels with those multi-bubble bubbles.

Sorry if I confuse you, but this is just from personal experience.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:29 am


I suggest that you plan out your pages ahead of time. First, I usually draw in storyboards to see approximate panel size and layout. then you should place the speechbubbles on the page so that they create the flow. after that, if you have some artwork you need to change a bit to help, alter it in storyboard stage.

Now, if you really dont't like drawing the speech bubbles, there are ways to digitally add them. I would check Blambot.com, which is a free comic typeface website, also has some speech bubble like patterns that you can add in digitally. Check those out and other sites if you decide to add them in digitally.

RedSparrow


Gonbe

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:56 pm


Wow! Planning!
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:30 pm


Yes. Planning out manga is essential razz If you don't know what's going to happen on the pages, you can end up with too many or too few (if you're looking for a certain number of pages) or you could end up at a bad place to end it

RedSparrow


I_R_Supper_Nub123

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:21 pm


How do you decide what goes on each page? I mean, I know you must storyboard before hand, but how do you make the final decision as to what goes where? Also, how do you decide on how many panels, and the size? I know these are probably really dumb questions, but I for the life of me just can't get it down in my head.
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