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According to him he stated that because of Roe v. Wade, crime has dropped. With the first thought being, there is no true proff to this, this is just a way for pro-choicers to feel that there arguement is right.

The logic is this, since those who are aborted, most of them would of ended up in dysfunctional family, and as a result be criminals. Even if this was actually fact, the whole arguement is disgusting. It's like saying "if we killed all the black people and poor people, there would be less crime." It's practically a genocide attitude. So if someone has the potential of being a criminal, we should kill him/her. Besides, the killing of unborn baby has gone up since Roe v. Wade, and that's the worst fact of them all.

it would seem to me that the opposite logic could work as well- the mentality of getting everything one wants, even at the cost of a life, could cause more crime. it certainly puts up a higher sense of selfishness.


think of one argument for abortion that isn't selfish or derived from a selfish reason. and the adoption situation argument only exists as a backdrop to the selfishness, a defense mechanism to make the bad look good or at least acceptable. keep in mind ,the child would not even be in her uterus were it not for her willful act of sex.

Even if that was true it would be unfounded logic at best. The two aren't necessarily connected in any way.
Thats like saying:
Today it is raining.
Today my boyfriend broke up with me.
Thus the rain must have caused my boyfriend to break up with me.

Unless there is scientific proof to back up that claim it is faulty logic at best and outright lie at worst.
Nevertheless, lets say that it was scientifically proven that abortion lowers the crime rate there would be those children that grew up as model citizens regardless of thier birth. That is punishing them for the supposed crimes that others in thier group would perform.

Heeeey, we could lower the crime rate even MORE if we forced all black women and poor women to have abortions! Nothing but rich white babies! And they NEVER grow up to do things like embezzle millions of dollars, sell dangerous products, exploit labor laws in developing countries or invade sovereign nations and kill civilians! biggrin The only people who do that are kids raised in poverty by single black women! 3nodding



The sarcasm is thick today, young padawans... ninja

Reminds me of the argument that abortion is okay because those who are aborted would have terrible lives. Terrible lives by their judgment, of course. I mean, on a scale of, say, mud huts in deepest darkest Africa to Beverly Hills, they certainly wouldn't be at the bottom of the scale, and yet, these same people would not support the killing of those people in Africa. Rather, they want us to funnel money into taking care of them, and making their lives better.

Seems ironic that they would rather the lives of those currently living in squalor continue then the lives of those who might live a sort of worse life then us, and in fact would have us put money into the continuing life of the first group as well as the continuous killing of the second group. confused Not that I support the genocide of anybody, just saying that that sort of lifestyle seems worse then, OMG, having to live life as the child of a single mother.

...Wow, that was almost completely off topic. Er, what everybody else said is pretty much what I say. It's utter bullshit to say that abortion has singlehandedly lowered the crime rate, because it's not like abortion is limited to people with households were children will grow up to be criminals. And, even if it were, it's not legal to kill born people just because they are more likely to commit crimes, so why should it be legal to kill unborn people who are more likely to commit crimes? Etc. etc.

well, yes and no.

I think that argment is abused to some extent, but you have to realize what it's really saying is that these people are lives in the making. They all have potential to be something, be it for the greater good or evil. It's not a bad argument, but i shy away from using it because it's usually not handled properly.

I think the argument was designed to just show that all human life has great potential, and a lot of people who don't know how to argue that point that way ruined it.

*sigh*

that's my point

Look at it this way, everybody has great potential, but we choose to use that for good or evil. It's our choice.

Interestingly enough, the movement that keeps people from being able to grow up to make that choice, calls itself pro choice.