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Talumpati at Sinta

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:17 am

I am so sorry members of NCS. I did not turn out as you wanted me to be. I probably would not become a communist as you wanted, but my justifications for that is stated in the following quote (that was originally posted in the Not a commie. thread.). I hope you guys can cope with me in the situation I am in and my stances cocerning communism. Just post what you think about this.

Weed Unit Under Blue Sky

I, too, am not a communist. Though there is no way denying that I am somewhat of a die-hard leftist.

Let me tell you why I, Weed Unit Under Blue Sky, am not a communist. I am a Filipino. My country, the Philippines, is just another developing nation. It is not greaty industrialized, and some of its parts are still stuck in a feudal system unfortunately. Its government is looking forward on laissez-faire policy. Also our government is heavily burdened with bourgeoisie, rightists, and corruption. Through studying world history, I noticed the dreadful effects of developing nations trying to achieve communism. Even more, I even got that confirmed with the honorable REDGallenger. Also, a friend of mine [in Philippines] once said that "Philippines should not be a communist state...We might end up getting bombed by capitalists nations or sanctioned by capitalists nations...." I even theorized that the so-called communist nations nowadays turn to totalitarianism in order to greatfully protect themselves from the capitalist world. I think that is the motive behind Stalin and why he had to do what he did [...the purge...dictatorship...spreading "communism" to other nations with ComIntern or other ways...China Diplomacy...East Europe satellites...nukes...whatever]. So yeah...I don't want my beloved nation to end up being Stalinist. To sum up what I said, I don't support communism because my nation is not ready for communism. [I believe in its movement though. Don't get me wrong.]

Now, I will tell you why I want to learn socialism. I am a leftist. I am a strong proponent of the grassroots (Read my name. "Weed Unit"). I am also for the worker being that my family came from a lower class family (I think the word is "ploretarianism" or something...) My nation is ruined by imperialism, and I have a evil grudge evil against the imperialist and hegemonist Americans [government...not the people]. They have a imperialized my nation, and now, there are lots of things the Americans have claimed from my nation. They stole my nation's great independence and democracy. You all probably know how democracy is not efficient if it was just passed on by other nations, such as the American Empire. Democracy is something that the people themselves should attain in order to practice it at full extent. If some hegemonist and boastful nation just teaches the other nation about democracy, then only thing that nation learns what they were taught, meaning that they don't experience firsthand what democracy really is and their knowledge about democracy is limited to what they acquired from the imperialist nation. Well as of today, democracy in my homeland is saddening. Also why I can't stand American imperialism, is that once the colonized nation is liberated, the former colony becomes heavily dependent on their former mother nation. (A good example of that is Puerto Rico.) My nation can't even suppress the communist rebels without American aid. In addition, the Americans are still imperializing my nation as of today. The Americans are still occupying some of the islands that my nation own. What is even more sickening about that is that there is no rent for those islands since the Americans "demanded" that them to be rent-free because the Americans liberated us from the Japanese [after WWII]. Right now, those islands are being turned in American bases with the ships and navies and even worse...nukes! In my eyes, I see that as a threat. I mean, a bunch of armed foreigners with the great power to wipe clean a whole island are only 400 kilometers away from you. How can you sleep to that? I could actually sit down and eat a bowl of rice and all of a sudden the place gets gobbled up by a massive nuclear chain reaction. What is even worse...is the reputation of the Americans for interference. Don't even get me started with the CIA. (I HATE the CIA evil . I'd kill all of them if I had the chance. I'd torture all of them too to give them a taste of their own medicine.) Another thing I hate about Americans is how they have enslaved other "inferior races", including my people. Filipino peasants are being taken away in order to for them to work in Hawaiian plantations owned by American corporations. It is like my people are just a bunch of low life animals that you can buy, ship in or out and make them do your bidding. Also, I hate watching my people in Philippines, that work in pineapple farms owned by Dole, live in their crummy shacks and huts and eat loaves of bread each day...while the executives of Dole get fat stucks of money.
I want to undo the wrongdoings the Americans did to my people. I want to break the shackles that the Americans have cuffed on my beloved nation, the Philippines.

I want to learn socialism.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:14 am

I have a feeling that I'm going to get yelled at because of this, but whatever.

I read this yesterday, and I personally think that you have great reasons for not being a Communist. Whether you believe in Communism or not, it certainly isn't perfect for every nation. If Communism were to take root in the Philippines, I really doubt that it would succeed. In fact, it'd probably turn out really bad and scary.

I don't think anybody is going to get angry at you for caring about your homeland. You make some great points, and I can understand and sympathize with you. So, uh, good job. Or something.

I'm no good at these things.

Comrade Clara

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Monsieur Rosebud

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:19 am

there's nothing to be sorry for, the S part of NCS does stand for Socialism after all...

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:45 am

lol agreed. good points Weed Unit

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:49 pm

of course yous not commy, your too nationalist!
though yes, the point that you made(about pre-industrial societies) is right, there is the theory of permanent revolution that you may want to look at, but i must ask, do you actualy know what the differences are between scientific socialism and the rest of the tendencies are? if not how can you know you want to learn socialism, and which type would you learn? im sorry, but communism is the only way.

oh, clara, yes, communism IS right for every country, it is not just a policy that one can choose when things get bad, it is a product of the class struggle, the culmination of a historical process. it may be difficult to implement in some places now, but when the major capitalist powers fall to the red tide, every thing will be easier.
but it IS the way the WHOLE world will do!

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:00 pm

Gracchvs

oh, clara, yes, communism IS right for every country, it is not just a policy that one can choose when things get bad, it is a product of the class struggle, the culmination of a historical process. it may be difficult to implement in some places now, but when the major capitalist powers fall to the red tide, every thing will be easier.
but it IS the way the WHOLE world will do!

Yes, but a Communist revolution has to happen in the advanced Capitalist powers first, and then in the countries lower down on the advancement scale. But trying to turn an undeveloped country Commie without any of that support is a recipe for disaster. That's what I meant.

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Talumpati at Sinta

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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:44 pm

Indeed, I too believe in the stages of development. Also, you are right about the the capitalists falling to the red thingie. What I was tring to explain is...my nation should not achieve communism now. I don't think my country will ever be ready for communism in like 100 years. In my eyes, my country is nowhere close being developed. If my country did try to acheive communism now, then I fear that my nation would become a Stalinist one. As for the nationalist part, yes, I had like 22 people told me that I am nationalist, but what I was trying to show was that how I can't stand imperialism from the hegemonist and oppressive American GOVERNMENT and their money-gobbling corporations. I want to learn this socialism thing because I taught it is against imperialism and globalized corporationism. I did not said that I hate the Americans. (Don't get that confused.) American people are great(but I still think Europeans are cooler than them.). I also know that communism should not promote nationalism, but instead should promote internationalism...just as in the slogan "Workers of All Countries Unite."

Don't get me wrong, but I still believe in the movement. What I meant before is that, I don't want to fight for communism.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:06 am

I agree entirely with Weed... life is tough in our country.

BTW, Weed... I don't taste like caviar! xd

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:03 pm

Monsieur Rosebud

there's nothing to be sorry for, the S part of NCS does stand for Socialism after all...

yup.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:44 pm

I agree. Communism isn't the best for your country right now. It hasn't worked out well in the past at all. Russia was icky and so is China. They call themselves "communist" but they're poseurs, and that is what would probably happen in the phillippines also.
Please noone yell at me.... ninja

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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:36 pm

communism isnt meant to be formed from a revolution of a country in distress. Really it is meant to slowly be worked upon over years in a transitional form. Or at least that is the most ideal way for it too happend. But in devolping countries there is great need for economic support for the workers. Venezuala for example. But a full blown communist nation is not a good idea unless you want strong authority. Of course an authritarian communism is better than other forms of government. Like cuba is a lot better off with Castro and Lenin was much better than the Czars, but Philopean isnt a monarchy or facist country.

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:44 pm

Philopeans? The word is Filipino.

Anyways...That was I am trying to say. Philippines should follow that long process of development like that scientific socialism Gracchvs is talking about. Also, early socialism should occur in the developed nations. AS of now, I doubt I will be alive to see my country prosper like a developed nation, so I won't probably see socialism soon.

A little history sidewalk...about 2-3 decades ago, our country had just been liberated from fascist rule. The fascist dictator fled the Philippines and died in Hawaii 3 years after his escape. Was it coincidence that Hawaii was already owned by the Americans at that year?

Talumpati at Sinta

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:41 pm

Comrade Clara

Gracchvs

oh, clara, yes, communism IS right for every country, it is not just a policy that one can choose when things get bad, it is a product of the class struggle, the culmination of a historical process. it may be difficult to implement in some places now, but when the major capitalist powers fall to the red tide, every thing will be easier.
but it IS the way the WHOLE world will do!

Yes, but a Communist revolution has to happen in the advanced Capitalist powers first, and then in the countries lower down on the advancement scale. But trying to turn an undeveloped country Commie without any of that support is a recipe for disaster. That's what I meant.

If you dare to tell me that USSR (though, not really communist in the future) was an advanced capitalist power; I will have to slap you across the wrists.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:45 pm

Weed Unit Under Blue Sky

Indeed, I too believe in the stages of development. Also, you are right about the the capitalists falling to the red thingie. What I was tring to explain is...my nation should not achieve communism now. I don't think my country will ever be ready for communism in like 100 years. In my eyes, my country is nowhere close being developed. If my country did try to acheive communism now, then I fear that my nation would become a Stalinist one. As for the nationalist part, yes, I had like 22 people told me that I am nationalist, but what I was trying to show was that how I can't stand imperialism from the hegemonist and oppressive American GOVERNMENT and their money-gobbling corporations. I want to learn this socialism thing because I taught it is against imperialism and globalized corporationism. I did not said that I hate the Americans. (Don't get that confused.) American people are great(but I still think Europeans are cooler than them.). I also know that communism should not promote nationalism, but instead should promote internationalism...just as in the slogan "Workers of All Countries Unite."

Don't get me wrong, but I still believe in the movement. What I meant before is that, I don't want to fight for communism.

Workers of the World Unite. Countries are of no matter in communism

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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:01 pm

For you weedunit, I must say, I understand your choice to not be a communist officially. Truely enough the bourgeois of your own country do not rule. Your nation is ruled by foreign overlords and the military. Your sights are rightly set upon a nationalistic locally bourgeois nation. Marx himself recommends it, stating however; that as soon as the bourgeois revolt is fully complete, the proletariat struggle should become the focus. You can support socialism, but first and formost you are rightly placed in supporting your land in a persuite for to attain a greater amount of self determination.

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