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 Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:59 am
Captain Kabuki, we love you!
Since the Game is starting soon, I thought it was time to do this. The official rules of game XI are as follows:
Sniper
The sniper will maintain the current role of killing one person a day. However, I am adding an additional duty to the sniper: To give me one hint about their identity. If you are the sniper (Yes, you), it is expected that the daily clue be sent to me in the same PM as your daily kill. Thanks.
Crazed Killer
The crazed killer's position has no changes this game. The crazed killer will continue to kill one person per day and no more. The crazed killer will also have to send me a clue every day, as part of their PM. Only one clue per day shall be used, either in alternation or in blocks (3 days of sniper clues, 3 days of CK clues).
G-Team
There will be two G-Team members, one for each killer. If a G-Team member goes inactive, they will be replaced by another member at random. However, they will not be replaced if they are killed or jailed. Their purpose is to PM me every day, each with who they will protect for that day. They will each know who the other G-Teamer is.
News reporter
The News reporter role has been removed this round. As far as I've observed, the interaction between the newsreporter and the GM and the sniper has always been tedious and difficult, with it usually taking several days for these groups to liason perfectly. In addition, the NR threads are not always seen by everyone, and often get pushed far below other threads, meaning different people's votes are based on different and incomplete information. It will be much easier for everyone if I write the clue into the information.
Detective
Actually, the detective seems like it could work, as long as I get one that does it's job. It stays.
Votes + Jail
As usual, all of the players jail one person a day by voting for who they think is the sniper or crazed killer. People jailed will go into the Jailed section.
Updates
Updates will be written at 9 PM my time. I am GMT+9, and as of this writing it is almost 7 PM here. Everything must be done by 8 PM. This includes all killers and G-Teamers PMing me their info, and all members and jailees voting. The update will go up around 9 to 9:15 PM(2 AM for you Americans), so you can see it in the morning when you get up for school or work or whatever.
The updates this round will occur as follows:
Sniping
Jailing
Crazily Killing
Inactivities
Killer's Clue
Inactives
Users all start with what we will call five inactivity points. Voting for yourself, passing, or not voting at all will each cost you one inactivity point. If you lose all five points, you will be put on the inactivity list, and all voting rights will be stripped from you. THIS INCLUDES THE KILLERS AS WELL. Any killer who fails to vote or PM me five times will also be sent to the inactives. If this occurs, a new sniper or killer will be chosen, and I will make it explicit that the person filing the role has changed. However, that is the one exception. If a killer is still voted off or killed, they will not be replaced.
Anything else? Anyone unhappy with how it works? Anything I forgot? The rules are still subject to "finalization" (Read, "changes") before the game starts. Thank you guys! Good luck, have fun!
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:10 am
... Well I guess I'll be the first person to intentionally go inactive for Game XI.
Reasons are as follows:
I don't agree with making it harder on the Sniper than on the CK.
I don't agree with removing the NR.
I don't think one game is enough evidence upon which to base the removal of the Detective role.
I don't like the Jailvoting.
And most importantly of all, I don't agree whatsoever with you changing the update time which we are all accustomed to both from the Timezone it's been in and the Time it's at.
Unless of course, you feel that these are things you're willing to change, especially that last one.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:22 am
Dukes ...Well I guess I'll be the first person to intentionally go inactive for Game XI.
Reasons are as follows:
I don't agree with making it harder on the Sniper than on the CK.
I don't agree with removing the NR.
I don't think one game is enough evidence upon which to base the removal of the Detective role.
I don't like the Jailvoting.
And most importantly of all, I don't agree whatsoever with you changing the update time which we are all accustomed to both from the Timezone it's been in and the Time it's
Unless of course, you feel that these are things you're willing to change, especially that last one. Captain Kabuki, we love you!
I'm flexible about everything except the last one. The update currently goes up at 4 AM my time. I have a job, which requires me to sleep, and staying up till 4 AM to put out an update, going to bed, then getting up again at 6 is not something I consider fair because you asked it.
One possibility I was considering was getting both clues from both killers, and only posting one each day. Afterall, the news reporter could only ask one person each day from mmy understanding, and perhaps alternating each day might be more fair. If this appeases you, then that may work.
The detective seemed to play so little a role last game, you'll have to rehash for me what they're job is. I may add them, but I still feel that a person with a role is meant to change the game for better or worse. So if a member had little to no effect whatsoever in the game, I feel their position is erroneous.
Then again, let's see how everybody feels. If you are alone in these philosophies (Which I highly doubt, I wrote the rules knowing they would be changed), the you may just have to go inactive and let everyone else get along with it.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:50 am
Takazawa Dukes ...Well I guess I'll be the first person to intentionally go inactive for Game XI.
Reasons are as follows:
I don't agree with making it harder on the Sniper than on the CK.
I don't agree with removing the NR.
I don't think one game is enough evidence upon which to base the removal of the Detective role.
I don't like the Jailvoting.
And most importantly of all, I don't agree whatsoever with you changing the update time which we are all accustomed to both from the Timezone it's been in and the Time it's
Unless of course, you feel that these are things you're willing to change, especially that last one. Captain Kabuki, we love you!
I'm flexible about everything except the last one. The update currently goes up at 4 AM my time. I have a job, which requires me to sleep, and staying up till 4 AM to put out an update, going to bed, then getting up again at 6 is not something I consider fair because you asked it.
One possibility I was considering was getting both clues from both killers, and only posting one each day. Afterall, the news reporter could only ask one person each day from mmy understanding, and perhaps alternating each day might be more fair. If this appeases you, then that may work.
The detective seemed to play so little a role last game, you'll have to rehash for me what they're job is. I may add them, but I still feel that a person with a role is meant to change the game for better or worse. So if a member had little to no effect whatsoever in the game, I feel their position is erroneous.
Then again, let's see how everybody feels. If you are alone in these philosophies (Which I highly doubt, I wrote the rules knowing they would be changed), the you may just have to go inactive and let everyone else get along with it.So post it at 6 AM? That's still better than three hours later where it's 2 AM for those of us who aren't in Europe... or Asia... or wherever. No offense but there are way more US players than... well wherever you are. Another alternative, you could maybe do it at night where you are, I don't know for sure but I think there are some people who would like an afternoon(US) update, gives them something to look forward to getting home for, without having to wait once they get there.
Both killers is certainly more fair than neither killer, and that would make removing the NR practical.
The Detective... well as you pointed out, the position didn't end up with much doing last time, mainly because whoever got the position didn't do their job. Anyhow, the Detective can ask Any person Any Yes or No question and receive the answer via PM. You're right, a person with a role is meant to do that, but you have people with roles who don't do their jobs, and that in this case happened to show no real pros or cons to having that position.
If I am alone in my feelings, which I also highly doubt, then I am quite willing to go inactive and let the others have their fun, thus my statement. 
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:16 am
Quote: No offense but there are way more US players than... well wherever you are. Captain Kabuki, we love you!
I'm offended that you think I would ignore the US players.
I actually chose the 2 AM with the americans in mind. I know I'm the only australian Sniper gamer, so a good time for them was my firstmost priority. I myself like waking up first thing in the morning and checking the game before I leave, so I assumed, perhaps wrongfully, that that would suit other members. They still have all day after school/work to vote. Also, my math was slightly off.
9 PM is 5 AM for the east coast and 2 AM for the west. So midnight would be 8 AM and 5 AM. Daytime updates would be very shaqky, as I can't garuntee if I'll have internet access every day, let alone when I'll have it. If you dfon't mind some updates at 7 Am and some at midday, etc., then I can do it in the mornings. But night is the only time I could garuntee stable updates.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:44 am
Takazawa Quote: No offense but there are way more US players than... well wherever you are. Captain Kabuki, we love you!
I'm offended that you think I would ignore the US players.
I actually chose the 2 AM with the americans in mind. I know I'm the only australian Sniper gamer, so a good time for them was my firstmost priority. I myself like waking up first thing in the morning and checking the game before I leave, so I assumed, perhaps wrongfully, that that would suit other members. They still have all day after school/work to vote. Also, my math was slightly off.
9 PM is 5 AM for the east coast and 2 AM for the west. So midnight would be 8 AM and 5 AM. Daytime updates would be very shaqky, as I can't garuntee if I'll have internet access every day, let alone when I'll have it. If you dfon't mind some updates at 7 Am and some at midday, etc., then I can do it in the mornings. But night is the only time I could garuntee stable updates.I didn't say ignore. I was merely pointing out that the convenience should be placed where those who are most numerous are.
Now then, I don't know how schooling works in Australia, but in the US most of us in school don't have time before school to check. Additionally, most schools in the US have various censoring systems which prevent us from checking it during the day time because schools feel Gaia is not educationally valuable.
Anyhow... I can't think of any manner of updating which works with the computer usage you outlined...
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:13 am
I agree with just about everything Dukes said (OMGSHOCK), though I never really got what the detective did, so I dun care about that.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:52 am
[.]... Since When Did We Have a Detective?
-So Hasn't Followed The Plots-
[XDD]
And I Think The
"Random G-Team Members Get Chosen After The First Ones Die/Go Inactive"
Will Make It So Much Harder For The CK/Sniper To Win.
[o.o;]
... And Since When/Why Do We Lose "Inactivity Points" By Passing?
[D;]
[John 3:16]
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:18 am
C l o c k w i s e
[.]... Since When Did We Have a Detective?
-So Hasn't Followed The Plots-
[XDD]
And I Think The
"Random G-Team Members Get Chosen After The First Ones Die/Go Inactive"
Will Make It So Much Harder For The CK/Sniper To Win.
[o.o;]
... And Since When/Why Do We Lose "Inactivity Points" By Passing?
[D;]
[John 3:16] Captain Kabuki, we love you!
The detective was introduced last game. I'm unsure whether or not to bring it back. If it comes back, it is going to also be part of the update, and not up to the detective to make a thread each time.
I don't think so. In the past two games, the G-Teamers have only intervened thrice. Last game, they were both replaced when they went inactive, and the sniper still won.
And it has always been the rule that if you pass three times, you're kicked out anyways. Since that is essentially the exact same rule as not voting thrice, I thought it should count as the same.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:36 am
.+:{}:+.
I REFUSE to play with the different time for the updates. Im sorry but for 10 months it has been the same, it just would confuse a lot of people if it were changed now. Make the deadline the same then post the update when you wake up? Can you have someone else update at the usual time? Maybe do a copy/paste update or make sure all roles have their kills/saves in by a certain time so you can write the update and pass it over?
So you are going to release clues? How will that work? The fun of the NR is getting the clues out without getting yourself killed.
Will you break the long standing tradition of NO CLUES in the updates?
So after, from what I saw, a large dislike for jailvoting uou are still going to have it? I could be wrong but maybe set up a thread asking everyone?
Only the killer gets a clue released? Thats HARDLY fair to the CK.
gonk @ the update line up. Do we have to change it?
You are going to have the G-team working together? That seems way too easy. And one could easily have the other killed if they know the sniper/CK. Will you tell us when one is jailed/sniped/inactive?
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:15 am
Captain Kabuki, we love you!
Jailvote gone.
One of your points is already moot.
Lineup is exactly the same as last game, which worked well in my opinion.
When exactly does the update occur? I have never been awake to see it, which means it must be between 3 and 6 AM my time.
Every GM has interpreted the game differently. I'm going to re-enstate the Detective, but only if everything is part of one update. However, there are some changes I would at least like to trial before you leave in a huff.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:32 am
Some things I want to point out:
The Detective: The person with this role went inactive early in the game and because of that we never really got to test out the role. I think you or a future GM should give that role another chance at least.
The NR: The NR does help some in the game as long as they give the clues to someone that they know is dependable and that they can trust to put the clues out. The reason the clues weren't very helpful in the past is because the Sniper/CK made them that way, not because of the NR. They still play an important role.
The G-team: Replacing them or not replacing them doesn't really make a difference. Statistically they've only saved a few people from 'death', but letting them know who the other G-team members are. If you're going to do that it's better to give them the option of wanting to know who the other is and if both of them agree to it have them give an annonymous aim, mule, whatever so that the other can contact them so if they decided to talk to the other and feel they don't want to reveal themselves they don't have to but if they want to work together they can decide for themselves.
The clues: Putting them in the update as part of the story seems like GM interference, unless they're some sort of "Daily Bulletin" section or something if you decide to do away with the NR. As for who gets a clue put up first RNG would be most fair then alternate it sniper-ck-sniper-... if you really want to do it that way.
Update times: Since so many people are used to the update times and you can't always guarentee an update at the 'usual' time why not have a friend from the game act as an assistant GM and post them up for you at the regular time. That way you have your update ready to go and your assistant GM can post it up for you and fill in whatever blanks need to be filled.
The order: Still think there is a preference for jailings first, but a GM could always change the order of the updates, like kills first then jail and next day jail then snipe, etc., as long as the update story flows well.
Edit: It seemes a few of my points were already resolved during the time I was typing this out. ^^;;
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:45 am
Between North America and Australia there's about a 10-12 hour time difference (I have no idea exactly how much it is), so it'll be difficult to accomodate. Voting usually ends at 9 PM Eastern and the update is usually posted between 9-11 PM, so that'd be around 9-11 AM in Australia, I guess.
Voting could just end at the time it usually does and then Taka could just post the story update when he has the time. If he posts an update in the evening where he is, everyone will still have plenty of time to read it and then vote. Really, it's not that big of an issue; you just need to work out a simple schedule and everything will be fine.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:01 am
No need to get so pissy about the update time. If non-US folks can survive to check the update on the afternoon after school/work, so can you. You still have 23 hour after 2am to make your vote. Jeez.
I guess I agree with you.
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:24 am
Merty No need to get so pissy about the update time. If non-US folks can survive to check the update on the afternoon after school/work, so can you. You still have 23 hour after 2am to make your vote. Jeez.
I guess I agree with you.
I would however like to point out to Taka that unforseeable things happen, like the windstorm in Washington State last week that knocked out at least 4 GCSGer's power and internet. Something that's happened in the past with the sniper/CK and possibly other roles is that they have "Backup actions", like they would tell you exactly who they're going to kill, and then have some backup people just in case they cannot reach you online for whatever reason. It's happened, like you spontaniously go into a chemically induced coma, or the Fox-Signal just showed up in the sky and you have to go tend to Dr. Chang who's trying to use a mind-controll device in his secret lair in the Great Wall of China to get everyone in the country to jump at exactly the same time causing massive earthquakes throughout Asia.
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