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 Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:00 am
In The Parting of the Ways when Rose looks into the TARDIS I take it that she becomes the TARDIS in human form right?
Well when she gets back to The Gamestation she says that she is Bad Wolf so does that mean that all the way through the series the TARDIS has been trying to warn the Doctor and Rose or was it trying to tell them about Bad Wolf?
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:05 am
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The_Enigmatic_SEF Captain
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:01 pm
I got the impression that Rose wasn't so much the TARDIS in human form, but powered by the same force that powers the TARDIS. Bad Wolf was comlpetely Rose's doing, as she explained -- it was a message to herself to tell her to save the doctor. The TARDIS only played a part in that it supplied the power she needed to do so. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:35 am
The impression I got was that it was the time vortex that was Bad Wolf, setting up clues to get it to where it could replace the hole in time mentioned, caused by the Emperor Dalek being there.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:27 am
I thought the time vortex was Bad Wolf too and throughout the series it was trying to tell Rose that she will save the Doctor. If you get me?! So when she saw it on the playground/walls it was to tell herself that there was a way to save the Doctor.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:13 am
It was just a stupidly pointless idea which Russel used to get people to keep watching the show-there was absolutely NO reason for it to be chasing them through time, let alone no decent explanation given for how it did so. So Rose could what? Change history when the tardis got inside her head? Change her perception of history? Who actually cares? Rose would have gone back and saved the Doctor no matter what because of the 'relationship' that Russel pushed even more than the Bad Wolf schtick. So okay it was following them, but why does she suddenly realise it's a 'message' to herself? Why doesn't she naturally assume it's STILL just following them about like it has done FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING SEASON??? Why does she even send herself such a stupid and indecipherable message in the first place? Why oh why didn't they make this device something genuinely decent instead of just a stupid marketting ploy to hook the audiences? Call me cynical but at the end of the day, that's what I feel it was. In years to come when people watch the episodes it'll make even less sense and the whole series could well have done without it.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:44 pm
Jettrick It was just a stupidly pointless idea which Russel used to get people to keep watching the show-there was absolutely NO reason for it to be chasing them through time, let alone no decent explanation given for how it did so. So Rose could what? Change history when the tardis got inside her head? Change her perception of history? Who actually cares? Rose would have gone back and saved the Doctor no matter what because of the 'relationship' that Russel pushed even more than the Bad Wolf schtick. So okay it was following them, but why does she suddenly realise it's a 'message' to herself? Why doesn't she naturally assume it's STILL just following them about like it has done FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING SEASON??? Why does she even send herself such a stupid and indecipherable message in the first place? Why oh why didn't they make this device something genuinely decent instead of just a stupid marketting ploy to hook the audiences? Call me cynical but at the end of the day, that's what I feel it was. In years to come when people watch the episodes it'll make even less sense and the whole series could well have done without it. Blah stare You're just determined to find fault everywhere in this new series, aren't you? Yes, there were quite a few plot holes and an unfortunate overuse of deus ex machina endings, but the show still kicked a** and you know it. And bear in mind that it was mostly an experiment -- the BBC had no idea if the series was really going to work, because an attempt to restart the show before had failed (miserably, at that -- just be thankful this series wasn't as bad as the '96 movie). I'm certain that series 2 will be much better, now they've gotten back into the swing of things. It's rumoured that Stephen Fry will be writing one of the episodes, and I mean, come on, let's be honest: it HAS to be good if he's involved.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:36 am
If having an opinion that differs from everyone else about one point of the final episode is 'finding fault' then yes, yes I obviously am intent on destroying the integrity of an institution I grew up with. The fact of the matter is I loved the last episodes. With Dalek zealots running amok who wouldn't? I just felt there were nicer episodes in the series and, ultimately, that the Bad Wolf gimmick fell flat. I don't remember anywhere in that post trying to claim this was the fault of poor writing or a 'terrible season' or any of that...so if you're going to claim moral highground over something this petty I'd hate to be in your way when someone finally comes to completely rubbish the series O.o
Oh and just to provoke more unnecessary tension I love Stephen Fry as much as the next patriotic Englishman, but having read one of his novels I found his writing somewhat prone to complete arse-suckery.
Just let Mark Gatiss and Rob Shearman do the next ten seasons between them and stop pretending there are 'other' writers in the world. What a silly idea biggrin
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:17 am
Maybe I've missed other things you've said, but it just seems to me that whenever you comment on the new series, you're complaining about it. I was only pointing out that that's something I disagree with because I thought the new series did pretty well, despite its flaws. No need to get huffy over that -- I'm entitled to my opinions too, you know. :p
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:09 pm
That wasn't huffy, that was just childishly accusatory in response to your own about my criticisms. If I haven't posted anything positive about the new series it's only because we have more than enough glowing opinions to go round...but I'm sure I wrote up some less-than-horrid reviews for some of the episodes o.O
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:23 pm
Hah. You know, I think you'll have to forgive the abundance of glowing opinions -- everyone's just so amazed and thrilled to see the series back on air. whee
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:38 pm
Jettrick It was just a stupidly pointless idea which Russel used to get people to keep watching the show-there was absolutely NO reason for it to be chasing them through time, let alone no decent explanation given for how it did so. So Rose could what? Change history when the tardis got inside her head? Change her perception of history? Who actually cares? Rose would have gone back and saved the Doctor no matter what because of the 'relationship' that Russel pushed even more than the Bad Wolf schtick. So okay it was following them, but why does she suddenly realise it's a 'message' to herself? Why doesn't she naturally assume it's STILL just following them about like it has done FOR THE WHOLE FREAKING SEASON??? Why does she even send herself such a stupid and indecipherable message in the first place? Why oh why didn't they make this device something genuinely decent instead of just a stupid marketting ploy to hook the audiences? Call me cynical but at the end of the day, that's what I feel it was. In years to come when people watch the episodes it'll make even less sense and the whole series could well have done without it. Blah stare you sir are an idiot scream
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:45 pm
Jettrick If having an opinion that differs from everyone else about one point of the final episode is 'finding fault' then yes, yes I obviously am intent on destroying the integrity of an institution I grew up with. The fact of the matter is I loved the last episodes. With Dalek zealots running amok who wouldn't? I just felt there were nicer episodes in the series and, ultimately, that the Bad Wolf gimmick fell flat. I don't remember anywhere in that post trying to claim this was the fault of poor writing or a 'terrible season' or any of that...so if you're going to claim moral highground over something this petty I'd hate to be in your way when someone finally comes to completely rubbish the series O.o Oh and just to provoke more unnecessary tension I love Stephen Fry as much as the next patriotic Englishman, but having read one of his novels I found his writing somewhat prone to complete arse-suckery. Just let Mark Gatiss and Rob Shearman do the next ten seasons between them and stop pretending there are 'other' writers in the world. What a silly idea biggrin I hope you realize that the series won 3 awards and was voted by the English public to be the best si-fi drama of 2005 in 6 catoagories
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:27 pm
I personally don't agree with you, Jettrick, but you do have a valid point. I thought that the Bad Wolf thing was nifty, but I've been known to like some of the suckiest movies in exsistance, so I guess my liking it doesn't say much. LOL!
You're right that there was no real reason for it to be chasing them, but there was also no real reason for it to NOT be chasing them through time. I don't find it hurt the show any. It was suble enough, most of the time, that you could almost make a game out of finding it. The explanation for it might not have been spectacular, but it worked.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:30 pm
Hrm... This is getting Awfully close to Breaking one of the rules of the guild.
"Do not argue with a hard heart" I am very glad that Jettrick and Donelle could find a place that they could agree on. Everyone of us has oppinions that should be respected. All of us are also here because we love Doctor Who and all its spawn, so please remember that... I wouldn't let someone stay if they were just here to flame the show and/or us. Its just that some of us apriciate the show in different ways then others. The rest of you: Please do not fan the flames of meaness. It sounds cliche and silly but nobody wins when everyone insists that they are right. What would The Doctor say?
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