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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:46 am


Hey kids,

So. I'm running a campaign for Michael Badnarik at my school (and the libertarian party sent me cool swag! we rule) and I'm expected to debate on behalf of the party. One of the questions I'm supposed to cover is whether or not we think tax cuts are a viable way to boost the economy.

Obviously the LP's in favor of whatever tax cuts we can get, but isn't the fact that we're cutting taxes and still spending on ridiculous programs kind of a mitigating factor? Can we really be in favor of bribery (which is really all these tax cuts are), or should we only support tax cuts when they're A) across the board and B) being cut because we've finally done away with social security and welfare?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:50 pm


Well, I don't believe I've heard anyone, liberal or not, deny that if people have more money from tax cuts or refunds, then they're going to spend more money. Even if they save their money in a bank, the bank uses that money to put out loans to people who will obviously spend it. The more money that's spent, the more money companies recieve, the more money companies can increase wages or make more jobs with. All that is pretty much common sense. Deep tax cuts or tax abolishments that put money in the pockets of all social classes maintain and give strength to the economy. Besides, income, property, and sales taxes aren't just uneconomical, they're evil. A wide variety of government programs that they pay for are unwanted or unneeded by the general public. You could liken the government to a type of super-monopoly that forces its customers to pay for services, and then waste (in some cases) even more then 50% of the hard-earned money on bureaucracy. We need to go back to the way government was run in the early days of the U.S., where you had thousands less federal employees than today. I don't think tax cuts just boost the economy, because that would indicate that I would think that an economy with taxes is the normal economy, I think that since we tax our economy now, that it is hindered, that we have a negative economy, and we are below the "x axis" so to speak, and the economy has great potential to make everyone richer. Less and less people think of America as the land of opportunity anymore, and it's because of regulations and taxes. What Bush among many other conservatives seem to do is push through temporary tax cuts that are supposed to boost the economy out of a recession, but what you find is they fail to match the tax cuts with less federal spending and end up with huge deficits. What can happen with liberals is the other side of the picture, they increase federal spending and run up the deficit if they don't match it with a tax hike. Libertarians believe, unlike conservatives and liberals, that many (if not nearly all) federal programs need to be thrown out, then there will be plenty of budget surplus for a huge tax cut that can stay cut indefinately.

In conclusion, I don't view a deep, lasting tax cut as a bribe for votes, I view it as giving the economy back to the people, and letting them control their own money again.

Sinew
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Charley

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:06 pm


Any libertarian doctrine will result in a massive slaughter of bloated government programs, so I figure that tax cuts go hand in hand with that kind of thinking.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:25 pm


Charley
Any libertarian doctrine will result in a massive slaughter of bloated government programs, so I figure that tax cuts go hand in hand with that kind of thinking.


*cheer* I always liked your choice of words.

Sinew
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Angsty Shem

PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:28 pm


Searlait DiAndrette
or should we only support tax cuts when they're A) across the board and B) being cut because we've finally done away with social security and welfare?

If those points are met, yes. By all means, slash-and-burn.

But a Congress/Administration that cuts taxes while increasing spending, thus increasing the size of government regardless is worse than a "tax and spend" group, in my mind. I'll take slightly higher income tax over a guaranteed inflation tax any day of the week.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:00 am


I want to cut federal programs like mad. Cutting the federal size and power would take time because of bearucracy. But I think, if our government started now, it can be done by the year 2200 (I'm optomistic).

GIoom
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[.Hottie09.]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:39 am


i think if we get a libertarian president by 2012 (im being a realist) we can have considerably lower taxes and less spending by 2020.(if we get a libertarian president, he will get reeelected if the republicans dont have him assasinated)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:48 pm


Libertarian2008
i think if we get a libertarian president by 2012 (im being a realist) we can have considerably lower taxes and less spending by 2020.(if we get a libertarian president, he will get reeelected if the republicans dont have him assasinated)
Yeah that would be amazing. I think the party should also focus on flooding the Congress with Libertarians. That's equally as important as getting a hold of the presidency. Then on the way long-term goals, we could focus on getting a Libertarian in the Supreme Court.

GIoom
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Sinew
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:34 pm


VashZero5
Libertarian2008
i think if we get a libertarian president by 2012 (im being a realist) we can have considerably lower taxes and less spending by 2020.(if we get a libertarian president, he will get reeelected if the republicans dont have him assasinated)
Yeah that would be amazing. I think the party should also focus on flooding the Congress with Libertarians. That's equally as important as getting a hold of the presidency. Then on the way long-term goals, we could focus on getting a Libertarian in the Supreme Court.

what i've heard that the key is taking on local governments, if you take over one little town and it does amazing well, the sister cities get jealous and apply the same principles. probably all theoratical
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:36 am


dont we have an amazing number of smaller offices already?

[.Hottie09.]


Sinew
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:45 pm


Libertarian2008
dont we have an amazing number of smaller offices already?

Probably hard to say. If you have some kind of number of official "capital-L" Libertarians in office, I'd love it. The main thing is probably getting the message across that you don't have to go in two directions. The more government programs you lobby to unbloat, the more vice laws you oppose, the more of everything conservatives and liberals realize libertarians want, the more they'll serve it in hopes of getting votes for their respective parties. Much like the Socialist and Prohibition Party, I doubt we'll ever rise to power, but just like both of them, we can move the nation's opinions and influence the way stuff is legislated nonetheless.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:16 pm


i disagree. I believe that with that increased power and visability, more and more people will be registering libertarian, and we will eventually rise to power.

[.Hottie09.]


Sinew
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:21 pm


Libertarian2008
i disagree. I believe that with that increased power and visability, more and more people will be registering libertarian, and we will eventually rise to power.

good to be hopeful. either scenario is a step in the right direction
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:30 pm


definately. As long as we get want we want, it doesnt matter who's in power right?
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nevermind....i don't believe that lol I don't want some bullshitter as my president

[.Hottie09.]


GIoom
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:28 pm


Libertarian2008
definately. As long as we get want we want, it doesnt matter who's in power right?
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nevermind....i don't believe that lol I don't want some bullshitter as my president
I'm hopefull and afraid for our country at the same time. If a solid majority of our country can adapt to the Libertarian party, then I think our country can be repaired over time. BUT if things with the demolocans and republicrats continue and if their support continues to grow, we're doomed. If that happens goodbye freedom, hello Big Brother.
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