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shibaru

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:54 pm


Now, I don't know if this has been done, and if it has, I'm sure everyone will be like scream but...

Do you think that anytime in Christine's life, she regretted going with Raoul?

If I were her (and for some wild reason DIDN'T go with Erik) would throw it in hs face like; "Erik wouldn't be like this." or "At least Erik would compliment me."
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:38 pm


No.

She loved Raoul. She did not love Erik. She may have felt bad for him, but she did not love him.

And I have my doubts that Erik would have complemented her more than Raoul.

Thorn Venatrix


taisamustang29

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:18 am


Eh, I dunno, Thorn. I always assumed she loved both, but one had to lose. She probably saw Erik at his... Well, not at his worst, surely, but rather insane and stressed... and then saw Raoul, the sweet, helpful alternative to this (apparently) murderous lunatic...

I mean, if you phrase it like that, sure you'd go with the safe one, but maybe she thought back to (one of my favorite lines from the Claude Rains movie) "He seemed like such a nice old man... before I heard about the murder."

(Incidentally, my other favorite line is "You go first, Anatole, because your name begins with an A!" XD)

I just don't think that she truly realized the depth of Erik's genius. She just viewed him as a homicidal maniac, I think.

Christine's childish, though, and could barely make up her mind, so getting inside her head is really quite difficult.

Sorry if this made no sense whatsoever. I've got a lack of sleep.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:55 am


I know we all wish that Christine had regretted her decision on going with Raoul, but Thorn is right. She loved Raoul, and she pitied Erik.

Ghostly Phantomess


eriks_greaser_girl

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:31 pm


Ghostly Phantomess
I know we all wish that Christine had regretted her decision on going with Raoul, but Thorn is right. She loved Raoul, and she pitied Erik.

Amen. I agree, she might have thought about him once and a while. But dang. ..
Don't Kill me for saying this, but:

Erik, if you wanna flatter a girl. You give her chocolates, flowers and love.

Not dead people.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:14 pm


Regret?

Wait, so, she'd regret going with a guy who risked his life and his title and money for her and instead want to go to a mentally insane, quite ugly and deformed man who killed and manipulated people for his own selfish purposes?

I love Erik as much as the next fangirl, but that still makes no sense to me as to why she'd regret being with Raoul.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:18 pm


taisamustang29
Eh, I dunno, Thorn. I always assumed she loved both, but one had to lose. She probably saw Erik at his... Well, not at his worst, surely, but rather insane and stressed... and then saw Raoul, the sweet, helpful alternative to this (apparently) murderous lunatic...

I mean, if you phrase it like that, sure you'd go with the safe one, but maybe she thought back to (one of my favorite lines from the Claude Rains movie) "He seemed like such a nice old man... before I heard about the murder."

(Incidentally, my other favorite line is "You go first, Anatole, because your name begins with an A!" XD)

I just don't think that she truly realized the depth of Erik's genius. She just viewed him as a homicidal maniac, I think.

Christine's childish, though, and could barely make up her mind, so getting inside her head is really quite difficult.

Sorry if this made no sense whatsoever. I've got a lack of sleep.


I think with that you're basing it off of Webber more than anything, and more the 2004 movie. Maybe not, but that's what it sounds like.

Whether or not she realized how intelligent and talented he was, he was still mentally screwed up and violent. He manipulated people, killed others, and twisted things to get his way much like a child. If anyone was childish, it was him. Christine needed safety and familiarity, not a psychopath.

She made up her mind a long time ago, but because she hated to hurt Erik and she pitied him, she didn't want to leave abruptly. Her heart was with Raoul. Her pity was with Erik.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:58 pm


You have to keep in mind, I base my opinions of the truth behind the characters' actions on the Leroux novel. It, being the original, seems to me like the place to base the facts on.

But seriously. Christine was very afraid of Erik. She tried to kill herself to avoid being with him. Would you call that love? I think not.

She plead with Erik to let her go, and when he did, there was no indication of her looking back. She did pity Erik, as we saw in the last scene in the novel, but she did not love him. Love and pity are two very different things.

At first, when she knew nothing about him, everything was fine, but when he kidnapped her, that was when she began to fear him. Never, after that point in time, does she actually show affection and love directed at Erik. Pity, yes. Fear, yes. But not love. She loved Raoul, and was willing to do anything to save him. I cannot see her doing the same for Erik.

As for her being childish...she was scared. Everybody reverts to a childish nature when scared. We all simply want to get away from the fear and be loved when we're scared, especially scaredfor our lives, as she had been. I have to say, though, I give Christine from the Leroux novel a decent amout of credit, since she's considerably tougher and more wily than the other versions.

By the references to movies in your post, I assume we're talking on completely different levels, Taisa.

Thorn Venatrix


Elanchana

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:27 pm


I think the only thing she would regret is not hearing the Angel of Music anymore.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:17 pm


Thorn Venatrix
You have to keep in mind, I base my opinions of the truth behind the characters' actions on the Leroux novel. It, being the original, seems to me like the place to base the facts on.


Yeah... I've considered this, actually, when I was supposed to be watching dance class (infernal knee injury!) and I realized that I was depending too much upon the movie, which is nice, but not true to the book.
Thorn Venatrix

But seriously. Christine was very afraid of Erik. She tried to kill herself to avoid being with him. Would you call that love? I think not.

She plead with Erik to let her go, and when he did, there was no indication of her looking back. She did pity Erik, as we saw in the last scene in the novel, but she did not love him. Love and pity are two very different things.


At first, when she knew nothing about him, everything was fine, but when he kidnapped her, that was when she began to fear him. Never, after that point in time, does she actually show affection and love directed at Erik. Pity, yes. Fear, yes. But not love. She loved Raoul, and was willing to do anything to save him. I cannot see her doing the same for Erik.

As for her being childish...she was scared. Everybody reverts to a childish nature when scared. We all simply want to get away from the fear and be loved when we're scared, especially scaredfor our lives, as she had been. I have to say, though, I give Christine from the Leroux novel a decent amout of credit, since she's considerably tougher and more wily than the other versions.

By the references to movies in your post, I assume we're talking on completely different levels, Taisa.

Mm, yeah, I believe so. I actually haven't read the Leroux novel in a while -- I've lent it to a friend who has only ever seen the '04 movie (poor thing). I actually got it back this afternoon, so I'll re-read it -- But now that you bring that up, yes, I agree.

taisamustang29


PhantomoftheFox

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:56 pm


Thorn Venatrix
At first, when she knew nothing about him, everything was fine, but when he kidnapped her, that was when she began to fear him. Never, after that point in time, does she actually show affection and love directed at Erik. Pity, yes. Fear, yes. But not love. She loved Raoul, and was willing to do anything to save him. I cannot see her doing the same for Erik.


Funny thing is that Erik keeps screwing himself over there... He wants her to love him, but the more he tries to force her love the more he drives her away. She loved him when she thought he was the Angel of Music, but that wasn't enough for him... She pitied him and probably could have grown to like him the first few weeks they were together, but he had to get all posessive and demand that she marry him...
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:34 pm


This, I must agree, is likely true. She could have grown accustomed to him after a while, if he took it slow, and maybe even liked him. But he let his temper get in the way of what could have been between them, and this subsequently resulted in her fearing him. All the same, she had liked Raoul since they were children, and something like that seems to be pretty solid. Especially as of when they came together and truly fell in love (as opposed to puppy love). The relationship between Christine and the one between Raoul and Christine and Raoul were quite different. Erik was more of a beloved teacher and mentor (at least, in the beginning), while Raoul was the one she would chose as a consort.

Thorn Venatrix


VerandiDarkstar

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:40 pm


Yeah. I really doubt she regretted a thing. But i always had Chritine pegged as a user. Erik made her famous...Raoul is rich...hmmm crying
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:14 pm


She had always wanted to be a singer, though, and she believed Erik had some connection to her father. It was more like she wanted to learn from him simply because she wanted to. She and Raoul, you must remember, were always close, ever since childhood. And anyway, she took up study with Erik before she knew that she'd see Raoul again. It seems like more a coincidence, in my mind. I can't see the sense in calling her a user.

Thorn Venatrix


Samara_Lin

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:48 am


eriks_greaser_girl

Erik, if you wanna flatter a girl. You give her chocolates, flowers and love.

Not dead people.

that's quite possibly the most amusing thing I've ever read....
but back on topic....I doubt Christine regretted anything but being able to help Erik more....I love Erik as much as anybody else on here, but what he truly needed was someone to care enough to get him some mental help....then maybe to love him once he was truly capable of loving someone without being psychopathic about it.
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