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Elder

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:54 pm


So it's pretty evident by now 98% of the guild hates me (even if they understand where I'm coming from).

What it boils down to is this:

Just because I haven't been here actively posting didn't mean I stopped in every once in a while to have a look-see. I've been on the memberlist since the guild was created.

When I finally came in I didn't mean to judge, it seemed the guild was going downhill very fast. So I was trying to help, and then the huge flamefest broke out. To me, I thought Meru and Nymphie were trying their hardest given their circumstances and they were doing a pretty good job, given their circumstances.

The members were confused as to how the guild should be run, and the VCs were confused as to how the guild should be run, and there was lots of accusations going around. Because of DeGei's thread everyone got really defensive. I tried to stay out of it for the most part(in the guild, that was) but it did not seem like the flaming would ever end(capswall, anyone?) So instead of posting my ideas that I thought would help I IMed them to meru.

Everyone was upset, so we both kind of ended up nowhere, and after the IMing Meru and I just got done with I'm pretty positive she hates my guts, too.

I PMed Zaedye because, even if the flaming stopped, it would still be a sloppy bandaid over a gash, and it'd be ripped open every time some sort of problem came up. And that, I thought, wouldn't be a good thing.

I really love the Sniper Game. I try to read the archives whenever I can, and I wanted to participate in the Next Sniper game. I felt that the next sniper game owuld not be held if we all were too busy yelling at eachother about how stupid this that or the other person was.

I figured if Zaedye stepped in and said "Hey you guys, This guild is a dictatorship" then you all would listen to your VCs and not blame them for powerplaying, which they weren't doing. Or, Zaedye could come in and say "Hey guys, this guild is a democracy" in which case the VCs would have to change a little but on how they do things.

I thought the whole problem stemmed from lack of information. I did not even think of PMing Zae until the very wee hours in the morning, after two flamey threads had been made and Meru's explanation thread had grown to two pages or so.

Even then it was kind of a decision I made because I was angry you all were acting like a bunch of little kids throwing sand in people's faces in the community sandbox.

It wasn't my place to try and mediate, but I did anyway, and when that didn't work I brought in Zaedye and explained in my PM that I was worried for how this guild was going to deal with these problems and that she should Tell the users/VCs what power they truly have..

I gave suggestions. I did not know what she did was going to be the position she would choose. This is an excerpt from the PM I sent her:

"I really think you should either instruct your VCs with what type of government the guild is(democracy, dictatorship) so they know if they are allowed to do things(like make rules) and enforce them because they say so, or if they need the entire guild's opinion on the matter.

Meru and Nymphie are trying the best they can but with no expierence prior to this and with no guidance from you they're lost and it is frustrating for the entire guild. The game itself is suffering."

I PMed her because I cared about this guild and I wanted to be in another Sniper Game. I'm sorry I was so elitist and "I'm better than you" about it.

That said and my point discussed, I'll take no offense if you all want me to quit the guild.
Which I will do, if you think it is for the better of everyone.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:59 pm


nooooo, don't quit or anything! D: You're too awesome to quit! (I'm just too cool to Q-play)
I agree with what you did, becauseI used to have a guild that I owned, and I've modded in maybe four guilds. So I know what what you did was all you could do, and I think it was the right thing. If I'd been around more during the last game and if I'd been online last night, I would've totally done the same thing.
I probably would've sent a pm that was like...almost the same as yours. xD

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:06 pm


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Who cares if you lurked. You never tried to help before this.

And I was simply pointing out that there might not be any more games for awhile. Zae is busybusy and now the only one who can appoint people And stuff.

And by telling us HOW we should run it didnt seem like you thought we were doing our best.

Im thankful for the handful of PMs I recieved today. But prior only once and a while people would say 'Hey you are doing good'

Now we have more threads that are flaming what the VC's did still. And the only people apoligizing are people who have nothing to be sorry about.

But no people are going to KEEP complaining and never say 'Hey you tried your best' and have it be good enough.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:14 pm


I don't mind you, Q.

... Meru, I know you did your best and I still love you. ._.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:15 pm


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"Im more insane then you"
-snugs Q-
Sin onley hates a very small number of people in this guild -calugh1calugh-
And q or meru or `Nyph isent one of them
^^ -snugs-

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:27 pm


Merumiharu
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Who cares if you lurked. You never tried to help before this.

And I was simply pointing out that there might not be any more games for awhile. Zae is busybusy and now the only one who can appoint people And stuff.

And by telling us HOW we should run it didnt seem like you thought we were doing our best.

Im thankful for the handful of PMs I recieved today. But prior only once and a while people would say 'Hey you are doing good'

Now we have more threads that are flaming what the VC's did still. And the only people apoligizing are people who have nothing to be sorry about.

But no people are going to KEEP complaining and never say 'Hey you tried your best' and have it be good enough.
.____.

It's not your fault that Zae came back Q. You did what you thought was best. And it just turned out bad. Because, as much as I love Zae...she has a rl and real things to worry about. The guild should be the least of her worries. And now that she's in charge again...its just hard to trust that she wont leave us again in the same situation we were last time, which I think was even worse then our current one.

And like Meru said, I too am thankful for the pms I've been receiving today. Although I cant tell if all the pms, or things said in the guild, are really honest thoughts. Because your opinions of our V.Cness shouldnt just change over night. It seems people are just saying things so that we dont go crazy again...because that would be bad .-. Only some people seem like that though, not everyone.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:10 pm


`Nymphie
Merumiharu
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Who cares if you lurked. You never tried to help before this.

And I was simply pointing out that there might not be any more games for awhile. Zae is busybusy and now the only one who can appoint people And stuff.

And by telling us HOW we should run it didnt seem like you thought we were doing our best.

Im thankful for the handful of PMs I recieved today. But prior only once and a while people would say 'Hey you are doing good'

Now we have more threads that are flaming what the VC's did still. And the only people apoligizing are people who have nothing to be sorry about.

But no people are going to KEEP complaining and never say 'Hey you tried your best' and have it be good enough.
.____.

It's not your fault that Zae came back Q. You did what you thought was best. And it just turned out bad. Because, as much as I love Zae...she has a rl and real things to worry about. The guild should be the least of her worries. And now that she's in charge again...its just hard to trust that she wont leave us again in the same situation we were last time, which I think was even worse then our current one.

And like Meru said, I too am thankful for the pms I've been receiving today. Although I cant tell if all the pms, or things said in the guild, are really honest thoughts. Because your opinions of our V.Cness shouldnt just change over night. It seems people are just saying things so that we dont go crazy again...because that would be bad .-. Only some people seem like that though, not everyone.

The reason I never said what I said before was because I thought you didn't need to hear my opinion, that you had enough friends not to care about opinions of us common types (lawlz, bit of a joke there), and so I never said anything. ANd now that there is a reason to say it, and I kinda have proof you need to hear my good thoughts about you, I told you them.
I've always been thinking them, I just never knew you needed to hear them.
That goes for Meru, too.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:10 pm


[Q]
I don't know what you did.
I don't know if I hate you or like you.
Kay.

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[Q]

Elder

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:13 pm


'Kay.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:16 pm


o.o
Also..
Have I ever even talked to you?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:25 pm


I don't hate you...Only because, I barely know you.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:28 pm


[Glitter.Poptart]
o.o
Also..
Have I ever even talked to you?
Maybe indirectly.

[Q]

Elder


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:39 pm


[Q]
[Glitter.Poptart]
o.o
Also..
Have I ever even talked to you?
Maybe indirectly.

rofl
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:10 pm


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[H]urr.
I Don't Hate You At All Even Tho I Don't Really Know You That Well?
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DeGei

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:44 pm


Q, you did the thing everyone else was thinking about doing. Kudos.
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