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XKazumaXD
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:08 pm


So, there are many instances within any Gundam series where the Gundams are forced to fight one another. Well let's just lay down dream matchups and logicly confirm who would win the in the fight. Let's say the following match was made.

Amuro Ray (Gundam) V. Heero Yuy (Wing Gundam)

Well, considering that Amuro, in the time period of Gundam, was merely just a kid who got into a mobile suit and somehow learned to pilot it, he is far less skilled than the trained body and mind of Heero Yuy. If by some miricle, and we're talking logicly here, Wing Gundam Malfunctioned, Amuro MIGHT win. But in the end, Heero would stand vidtorious over the first Gundam Pilot.

So, I'll start this with my own pairing. I find that this pairing has a very able bodied discussion considering the Pilots and their time peroid. Also, please don't mind that this matchup isn't from the Gundam Wing Century.

Kou Uraki (Gundam "Zephyranthes") V. Judau Ashta (Enhanced ZZ Gundam)

Now here you have two very powerful Gundams. The ZZ gundam has more defense and a bigger stature. The GP01 (Zephy) stands tall at an overall height 18.5 meters, but is overtowered by the ZZ at 23.14 meters. The Gp01 also is overpowered in power output with it's powerplant forcing out 1790 kW, and the ZZ spouting an overwhelming 7340 kW.

From the look of things, the ZZ is better, or is it? Let's continue this compairison. The GP01 is lighter at 65.0 metric tons while the ZZ is a staggering 71.6 metric tons. The ZZ gundam rules in thruster power with 1.74 G's, but the GP01 is faster in full body movement due to it's lighter weight. The ZZ's overall thrust ability is 4 x 31200 kg = (1248000) While the Gp01 is set at 2 x 42000 kg, 2 x 12000 kg thrusters = (192000) The thrust power of the ZZ is overwhelming in this matchup.

With the Mech Specs in play, it's easy to see that the ZZ Gundam, which was built after the Gp01, would topple over the Gp01. But this match is really decided on the pilot's abilities. I say it would be a nice match, but in the end, the ZZ would crush the GP01 with it's overpowering attacks and speed, leaving the poor little Gp01 in it's wake.... Or at least.. Until it's upgraded. Just remember.. we're talking about an enhanced ZZ Gundam V. a basic Gp01 before upgrades.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:27 pm


Who do you think would win in a Gundam fight between the maine charecters of Gundam Wing and G Gundam (melay stile, the characters from both series would be fighting as team mates)?
I've wondered about that for a while, and I can't remember all the characters strengths & weaknesses, as neather of the shows are airing anymore, and I can't find the anime or manga for either sweatdrop .

LolitaNevermore


Aona

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:18 pm


Well, you always have to take into account cheesy newtype powers when pitting Amuro against non-UC characters. At least Wing is superior to RX-78 in general.

As for the other one... I think the two pilots are close enough that ZZ's immense technological advantage gives it a crushing victory.

Now here's a match for you:
Kira Yamato (Freedom) vs. Heero Yuy (Wing Zero)
Freedom has six long-range weapons of moderate power, and a pair of beam sabers. Wing Zero's lack of ballistic munitions makes transphase largely irrelevent. Wing Zero posesses a pair of far more poweful ranged weapons which can be fused into a single, even more overwhelming weapon, and a pair of beam sabers as well. Gundanium armor, while less resilient against ballistic muntions (which Freedom has in the form of two rail cannons), it takes beam hits with less damage.

The pilots are an interesting matchup. Heero has natural talent, but most of his skill comes from intense training and combat experience. He's a willing and ready soldier who is dedicated to the mission. Kira, in contrast, gets almost all of his skill from his top of the line genetic engineering, including the powerful "berserker mode". However, he has less experience than Heero, and is far less willing to enter combat. He also routinely makes an effort to disable enemy units without harming the pilot.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:44 pm


LolitaNevermore
Who do you think would win in a Gundam fight between the maine charecters of Gundam Wing and G Gundam (melay stile, the characters from both series would be fighting as team mates)?
I've wondered about that for a while, and I can't remember all the characters strengths & weaknesses, as neather of the shows are airing anymore, and I can't find the anime or manga for either sweatdrop .


When speaking of G Gundam Vs. Gundam Wing, there's really no compitition for the G Gundams. Burning Gundam Would put Wing Zero in it's place in a Melee fight with no effort. This is simply put because Wing Zero's only close range combat comes in the forms of Vulcan's and Beam Sabers while the Burning Gundam utilizes martial arts techniques by applying a nero-link with the pilot.

Heero Yuy V. Domon Kasshu
The Victor would clearly be Domon

Quote:
Kira Yamato (Freedom) vs. Heero Yuy (Wing Zero)
Freedom has six long-range weapons of moderate power, and a pair of beam sabers. Wing Zero's lack of ballistic munitions makes transphase largely irrelevent. Wing Zero posesses a pair of far more poweful ranged weapons which can be fused into a single, even more overwhelming weapon, and a pair of beam sabers as well. Gundanium armor, while less resilient against ballistic muntions (which Freedom has in the form of two rail cannons), it takes beam hits with less damage.

The pilots are an interesting matchup. Heero has natural talent, but most of his skill comes from intense training and combat experience. He's a willing and ready soldier who is dedicated to the mission. Kira, in contrast, gets almost all of his skill from his top of the line genetic engineering, including the powerful "berserker mode". However, he has less experience than Heero, and is far less willing to enter combat. He also routinely makes an effort to disable enemy units without harming the pilot.


Ok, I'll take this challenge. You stated very well a few things that are very relevant in this challenge, but.. there are a few drawbacks and the fight could go either way. Kira is indeed the less able pilot here, but Heero also has his faults. Kira simply grows stronger in his timeline where as Heero does so as well, but he gains emotion, that being his biggest downfall. If we took Heero's skills from say, his final fight with Eypon, and gave them to the Crazily Insane Heero that we knew who fell to Earth at the beginning of the series, Heero would be virtually unstoppable. But let's do some Technological Compairisons.

Wing Zero : All that is known about the suit is it's apparent armaments and that it has the Zero System Interface. There is no RELEVANT data on the gundam to support it's speed, thrust capabilities, armor impact resistance, or if it is completely composed of Gundanium. It's a fact and that's that. The Zero suit is a truely magnificant suit that was designed before the Tallgeese Program by the Five Engineers who created the Gundams. It is superior to all other mobile suits ( Epyon is a great match for it ) and thus it's capabilities weren't really tested until the Libra Fallout incident when Heero destroyed the falling peice of Libra. In that Situation, you can gain a good perspective of how much the suit can obtain. With Heero thrusting against the gravitational pull of earth, he was actually causing himself to fall faster instead of decend slower, thus causing his suit to heat up and begin to break apart. No other suit has entered earth's atmosphere in the way that Wing Zero did, thus proving it's endurance. ( Although the Tallgeese did EXIT earth's atmosphere with the help of Vernier Rockets)

Strike Freedom : This mobile suit, although holding a bit more information, also has alot of unknown qualities. It's weapons are impact related instead of sheer energy thus being a problem for reflective surfaces such as the coated shield of the Zero. It's heavier, I can tell you that by the power plant in it. It is powered by a Nuclear Reactor, thus having more Power Output than most any mech. The Strike Freedom is powered by the hyper deuterion nuclear reactor technology developed by ZAFT. This new design stores power in deuterion form, providing a continuous deuterion charge and, in theory, an endless power supply. However, it is possible for the suit's power to be expended before the reactor can replenish it. I have to say though, The Zero is able to exert a large amount of energy through the use of it's beam rifle several times over without having to recharge. This mech lacks a Zero System and leaves all of the choices up to the pilot. It's construction is unknown as well, so there's no telling what the Freedom Gundam is made up of.

In the end, The battle would have to be decided on who was the better skilled Pilot. You have two of the best Mobile Suits for their Era's and thus, you would have to look at how both Pilots reacted in situations. I would say, although bigger, the Freedom is Faster until Zero is in bird mode where as it could attack several times before the Freedom could react, thus making impact rounds less effective and less accurate.

I would Go with Heero Yuy on this one due to his skill and the Zero System which enhances his senses.

Heero Yuy V. Kira Yamato

Heero Is Victorious

Note that I used the stronger Version of the Freedom. Strike Freedom

XKazumaXD
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LolitaNevermore

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:20 am


Wow, I realy need to re-watch the series sweatdrop . I only understood about half the stuf you guys said, and I use to know almost everything about G Gundam and Gundam Wing!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:24 am


LolitaNevermore
Wow, I realy need to re-watch the series sweatdrop . I only understood about half the stuf you guys said, and I use to know almost everything about G Gundam and Gundam Wing!


There's really not much to know. See, I'll break it down for you. In the series G Gundam, Domon is a very fierce Martial Arts expert. His mobile suit is not piloted by conventional controls like the other mecha in any Gundam Series, inseatd it uses a nero-network that links with the pilot by applying a skin tight latex exterior to the pilot.

Once Domon is wearing this suit, any movment that he makes, the suit makes, so if he clentches his right hand and tilts his head back a bit, the suit will do exactly that.

The controls of the Wing Zero are more complex. It is operated by a series of buttons and commands through control panels and handles. The Burning Gundam is much faster and has much better reaction time than the Wing Zero due to it's ability to move in ways that the Wing Zero cannot. In a Hand to Hand fight, the Wing Zero would be obliterated without much effort from the King of Hearts, Domon.

XKazumaXD
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XKazumaXD
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:16 am


Ok people.. I've gont one for anyone who dare take on this challenge. I've taken the time to choose between the two actual fastest Gundams in any series with speeds registering at 4.49 G's, and both are equaly equiped. If anyone can get this one, I'll be colored impressed.

Marbet Fingerhat (V-Dash Gundam Hexa) V. Seabook Arno (Gundam F91)

Goodluck!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:56 pm


Here's a nice one! xDD Have fun!

Ideon V. All Gundams From Any Century At Once. *Including Upgraded ones*

XKazumaXD
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VEEB0MB3R

Newbie Regular

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:45 pm


XiKeiyaZI
Here's a nice one! xDD Have fun!

Ideon V. All Gundams From Any Century At Once. *Including Upgraded ones*

Ideon destroys the universe and thus wins unless Turn A uses moonlight buterfly before Ideon can react which then causes the end of all technology.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:55 pm


XiKeiyaZI
LolitaNevermore
Wow, I realy need to re-watch the series sweatdrop . I only understood about half the stuf you guys said, and I use to know almost everything about G Gundam and Gundam Wing!


There's really not much to know. See, I'll break it down for you. In the series G Gundam, Domon is a very fierce Martial Arts expert. His mobile suit is not piloted by conventional controls like the other mecha in any Gundam Series, inseatd it uses a nero-network that links with the pilot by applying a skin tight latex exterior to the pilot.

Once Domon is wearing this suit, any movment that he makes, the suit makes, so if he clentches his right hand and tilts his head back a bit, the suit will do exactly that.

The controls of the Wing Zero are more complex. It is operated by a series of buttons and commands through control panels and handles. The Burning Gundam is much faster and has much better reaction time than the Wing Zero due to it's ability to move in ways that the Wing Zero cannot. In a Hand to Hand fight, the Wing Zero would be obliterated without much effort from the King of Hearts, Domon.


You could of said that super robots always beat real robots. Much faster to type.

VEEB0MB3R

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LolitaNevermore

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:23 pm


x_El_Chingon_x
XiKeiyaZI
Here's a nice one! xDD Have fun!

Ideon V. All Gundams From Any Century At Once. *Including Upgraded ones*

Ideon destroys the universe and thus wins unless Turn A uses moonlight buterfly before Ideon can react which then causes the end of all technology.

A-turn! The guy at a robot forum thingy talked about that!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:16 pm


Lmao! someone actually knows their mechs! Ideon = Mecha God. Cutting planets in half with it's light sword and all ^__^!

Someone make a good matchup for me to decide the victor and explain why... xD Stop giving me 5 second chores.

XKazumaXD
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Robin the elusive

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:04 am


Here are a few ideas I had.

Wing Gundam(Heero) vs Launcher Strike(Kira Yamato)
Treize(TallgeeseII) vs Rau(GuAIZ)
Nichol(Blitz) vs Duo(Deathscythe)
Dearka(Buster) vs Trowa(Heavyarms)
Yzak(Duel) vs Wufei(Shenlong)

Ok here my summaries of results.

1.This would be fairly even for both Gundam as they both have a high degree of firepower if this form fails the Strike could switch out to Sword or Aile configuration, Wing has Beam Sabers the Buster Rifle and the vulcan cannon in the shoulders, Wing's advantage is it's transformable.
Heero being the better pilot would quite possibly have a chance of coming out on top, but Kira's extra forms for the Strike give him a tactical advantage if one form fails.

2.This is likewise a simillarly even match, Tallgeese II has a high ammount of speed, the Dobber Gun and the Beam Saber in the shield, Treize has shown himself to be a quite capable and honourable warrior in this MS, Rau in his GuAIZ has decent arnament speed and has the Beam Claw, then there is the rifle and the extensional arrest anchor for melee fights.
Rau can be pretty ruthless wich might give him an edge in this fight but still Treize is quite skilled.


3.The Deathscythe vs Blitz pretty even in the fact they can both turn invisible the Blitz has a little more firepower then Deathscythe but Deathscythe has the Buster Shield it can fire off wich is quite fast and deadly apart from the Beam Scythe.
Duo being the God of Death might really totally and utterly overwhelm the sometimes timid Nichol.
How Nichol can be quite confident when focused.

4.This one I can't decide on both suits have a high level of firepower, so narrowing it down to the pilots Dearka and Trowa, Dearka aint the best pilot around but he can handle the Buster pretty well, Trowa is quite a good pilot so I'm leaning towards Trowa coming out on top.

5.As for the Duel vs Shenlong, Shenlong has a close range advantage, Duel has decent firepower with the assualt shroud, but then again that doesn't say much, Yzak can handle himself pretty well as he proved against the CPU(druggies) Gundam Pilots as we saw even if it cost him the assualt shroud.

Anyone have any thoughts.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:55 am


Robin the elusive
Here are a few ideas I had.

Wing Gundam(Heero) vs Launcher Strike(Kira Yamato)
Treize(TallgeeseII) vs Rau(GuAIZ)
Nichol(Blitz) vs Duo(Deathscythe)
Dearka(Buster) vs Trowa(Heavyarms)
Yzak(Duel) vs Wufei(Shenlong)

Ok here my summaries of results.

1.This would be fairly even for both Gundam as they both have a high degree of firepower if this form fails the Strike could switch out to Sword or Aile configuration, Wing has Beam Sabers the Buster Rifle and the vulcan cannon in the shoulders, Wing's advantage is it's transformable.
Heero being the better pilot would quite possibly have a chance of coming out on top, but Kira's extra forms for the Strike give him a tactical advantage if one form fails.

2.This is likewise a simillarly even match, Tallgeese II has a high ammount of speed, the Dobber Gun and the Beam Saber in the shield, Treize has shown himself to be a quite capable and honourable warrior in this MS, Rau in his GuAIZ has decent arnament speed and has the Beam Claw, then there is the rifle and the extensional arrest anchor for melee fights.
Rau can be pretty ruthless wich might give him an edge in this fight but still Treize is quite skilled.


3.The Deathscythe vs Blitz pretty even in the fact they can both turn invisible the Blitz has a little more firepower then Deathscythe but Deathscythe has the Buster Shield it can fire off wich is quite fast and deadly apart from the Beam Scythe.
Duo being the God of Death might really totally and utterly overwhelm the sometimes timid Nichol.
How Nichol can be quite confident when focused.

4.This one I can't decide on both suits have a high level of firepower, so narrowing it down to the pilots Dearka and Trowa, Dearka aint the best pilot around but he can handle the Buster pretty well, Trowa is quite a good pilot so I'm leaning towards Trowa coming out on top.

5.As for the Duel vs Shenlong, Shenlong has a close range advantage, Duel has decent firepower with the assualt shroud, but then again that doesn't say much, Yzak can handle himself pretty well as he proved against the CPU(druggies) Gundam Pilots as we saw even if it cost him the assualt shroud.

Anyone have any thoughts.


1 : I have to lean towars Heero once again on this. I've already proven how Kira, even with his strongest mech, would fail against Heero. Heero, in any situation can defeat Kira, even without the Wing Zero. Heero is basicly ruthless when the series had him with the Wing Gundam, and with Kira, he was EVEN MORE timid at the time. Heero would Kill him without a second thought. (based from your Compairison, you said Wing Gundam, not Zero, so I'll simply assume it's Wing Gundam, considering on how I've earlier explained Zero's advantages.)

2 : Once again, a Pilot from the GW series is chosen. Treize is indeed a magnificant pilot, thus is which why he is looked up to. We saw hm pilot only a few times, and each time he did a great job, allowing Wufei to kill him in the end by choice, not by lack of skill. With the Tallgeese II, he would overwhelm this opponent in speed, and with it's hightened ability to fire off mass density rounds and overpowered Beam Sabers, it shouldn't be that long of a fight.

3 : Here.. It's hard to say. I WOULD say Duo because I favor him, but I think in the end, Duo would fail. He has too much pride and thinks unethicly about his actions. When he made a mistake, that would be his downfall. His only two attacks are the buster, and the Scythe. If he misses with the Buster, then he's screwed on ranged attacks. Invisibility would have nothing to do in a fight, only in sneaking and for an opening attack. Once his wings are open, I doubt he would have the time to close them whilst dodging gunfire.

4 : Clearly, this would be Trowa's area. Trowa is HIGHLY skilled in the use of his mobile suit considering on how he was one of the original mechanics that worked on the heavy arms in it's development. He knows it inside and out, and his knowledge of ballistic assault is overwhelming. Not only that, but the payload he can fire off at the opponent is also overwhelming. Trowa is a true soldier, ruthless and cold towards the opponent. I think he would topple over this challenge, after a well drawn out fight of course.

5 : Another Gundam Pilot from the GW series has to be chosen. Wufei would eleminate this opponent without much trouble. With his uncanny ability to eleminate multiple enemies at once with a quick swipe of his staff, and reach for a distance with his dragon arm, not to mention tossing his sheild around like a frisbee, Wufei would have a nice advantage. I think he would eleminate the shroud, and move on to kill the pilot without quesition and after a few 'Self Rightious' remarks.

These are my outlooks clearly from a slight perspective. If you want, Ic an go into full statistical detail ;D! Just tell me if you want that ^__^!

XKazumaXD
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Robin the elusive

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:21 am


If you want to put down more technical details go ahead.
I also may come up with more ideas later.
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