A very fragile discussion... The big "M"

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Saint Angel 07

SinfulGuillotine

Have you not gone through puberty yet?

When boys go through puberty, your body pretty much uses anything as an excuse to be aroused. You don't need to be looking at or thinking about something sexual to get an erection. It's a very awkward part of growing up.

Yeah I am 17, and by now i guess only sexual things turn me on, i dont get random erections anymore. I do get morning wood tho

I understand. I have to actually WORK to get an erection. I can relate to the morning wood as well. Sometimes I wonder if thats a sin if I had a wet dream sweatdrop .  

[SinfulGuillotine]

SUPERSQUIRRELX

Saint Angel 07

SinfulGuillotine

Have you not gone through puberty yet?

When boys go through puberty, your body pretty much uses anything as an excuse to be aroused. You don't need to be looking at or thinking about something sexual to get an erection. It's a very awkward part of growing up.

Yeah I am 17, and by now i guess only sexual things turn me on, i dont get random erections anymore. I do get morning wood tho

I understand. I have to actually WORK to get an erection. I can relate to the morning wood as well. Sometimes I wonder if thats a sin if I had a wet dream sweatdrop .

I would say no.

It's pretty much a biological reaction. Ejaculation is healthy, so if you're not ejaculating either through masturbation or sexual intercourse, your body takes care of it on its own.

I don't think automatic, biological reactions are sinful. For example, gluttony is sinful, but simply being hungry is not. Getting hungry is something your body does on its own, because eating is healthy. Eating in excess, however, is not.  

[Saint Angel 07]

I always hated wet dreams. I actually used to masturbate to not have them. I always thought that is was less embarassing to masterbate then to have a wet dream. Now I dont have them at all and I do not have to masterbate as much because I am engaged in some, less than curch approving, activities with my girlfriend.

I HATE morning wood though because I share a room with my brother(3) and he tends to jump into my bed in the morning to wake me up and it is weird.  

[Medanite]

Wet dreams are not sinful, but they can lead to some disturbing images in your head.

I've never had a wet dream though (or one that I can remember), I started to masturbate when I was like 11. xd  

[Jelai]

God created testosterones......

@_@;;  

[Uncouth_Youth]

Medanite

I agree, whenever I do it. I try not to think of anything. I try to focus on the ceiling and not of anything else. Masturbating keeps people from doing stupid things.

if this is so. then why do i feel so guilty when i do it? i believe that its not a sin but a harbor for sin, and i don't lust when i do it but i feel so ashamed some days and others an indifference. And my mom and the christian radio says that u shouldn't do it at all. But i kno thats wrong because its part of the human development and adult human body process. And it does help keep u from stupid things.  

[Medanite]

Moppytop

Medanite

I agree, whenever I do it. I try not to think of anything. I try to focus on the ceiling and not of anything else. Masturbating keeps people from doing stupid things.

if this is so. then why do i feel so guilty when i do it? i believe that its not a sin but a harbor for sin, and i don't lust when i do it but i feel so ashamed some days and others an indifference. And my mom and the christian radio says that u shouldn't do it at all. But i kno thats wrong because its part of the human development and adult human body process. And it does help keep u from stupid things.

You might feel guilty because you may feel like your the only one who does it. Masturbation can be either healthy or degrading, depending on what you do with it. (e.g. watching porn while doing so)
I believe one of the men, James Dobson, of KJIL (Christian Radio around the plains) said:
"I don't believe a loving God would put a raging fire in an immature kid and then damn him for doing what he can't help doing"

Now, whether or not you agree is up to you, but Mr. Dobson brings up a good point in saying it.  

[Etherealemblem]

Medanite

Master Protoman_exe

Medanite

I agree, whenever I do it. I try not to think of anything. I try to focus on the ceiling and not of anything else. Masturbating keeps people from doing stupid things.

I never figured anyone could put it that way...

It's true though. I'm pretty sure that the website I gave you earlier has a chart that shows what paths you can take when you masturbate. I'll go look for it.

Edit- Here is the page link.(Scroll down until you come to a part titled 'How it all fits together) . And if you think about it, It really makes sense.

Click

Dude, this link helped alot, thanks man! guilt is out the window!  

[RebeccaWrites]

There is a verse that says masterbation is wrong. For one thing, lustful thoughts usually come with it. Anything of a lustful sensation was meant to be with the one God desires you to be with. There is a verse that says, it is the only sin where you sin against your body.  

[daviderentxun]

Medanite

I believe one of the men, James Dobson, of KJIL (Christian Radio around the plains) said:
"I don't believe a loving God would put a raging fire in an immature kid and then damn him for doing what he can't help doing"

First, I'm not dealing with whether masturbation is a sin or not in this paragraph. But regarding that argument: What if a person can't help thinking sexually of a girl? It remains being lust, as Jesus described. "But he can't help thinking sexually about her! This is natural! It's just the hormones!" Yet God's standards remain the same.

Job made a covenant on not looking women lustfully (Job 31:1). We have to work for it. Victory over sexual temptations are not "normal," because the flesh ardently desires to do what opposes the spirit. Victory over sexual temptations are fruit of the grace of God on us, and on us making effort on not triggering lust in our bodies, and on not exposing ourselves into situations that might trigger said lust. "A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it" (Prov. 22:3).

The question is: Is it really God who put the raging fire of lust in an immature kid, or is it just part of the sinful nature of man after the fall? (James 1:13-15). The latter seems more Biblical, while the Word calls us to holiness, not to impurity.

The Bible does not mention masturbation. The example of Onan (one of the most common ones to critique masturbation) was just interrupted coitus. However, in most cases, as you know, masturbation is indeed associated with lust... in this cases, it is a sin, or the consequence of the sin that lust represents.

"What if I masturbate without lusting?" I will suppose that at least once in your life you have lusted while masturbating. It is very possible for a person to get used to something and not consider it sinful afterwards. When you get used to sin, your heart is hardened on that specific area, and you no longer see it as something bad. This happens, for example, when someone reads the newspaper. First time: "OH MY BUDDHA! THEY KILLED A MAN!" Second time: "They killed three men in Afghanistan!" Third time: "Twenty men were killed in Colombia!" Fourth time: "Fifty men killed in Iraq." Fifth time: "... Thirty killed in... oh come on. Isn't there anything more interesting in this newspaper?"

"I don't do it for sexual pleasure... I do it to relief my hormones/get the stress out of my body/because I'm bored." Sure. Then why don't you do something more productive, something that you actually know that glorifies God?

"Right... you say it because you have never masturbated." I have masturbated, and I still struggle with it, and I find that the closer I am to God, the less I need masturbation for "relieving myself." Yet I continue falling from time to time, and I hold to the promise of 1 John 2:1. Why? Because I know I am struggling with my sin, not giving myself up to it.

Again: Whether or not masturbation per se is a sin, the Bible does not say. But just as idolatry can become something we come to accept, masturbation as a consequence of lust can become something we accept, even when apparently "lust is no longer involved when I masturbate."  

[Battousai Akuma]

wow this is an interesting topic. I'm nessecarely(sp?) no sure which side to take om this. I do belive that God has put these sexual emotions in you how else would sex come about. Of course satan can also twist them as well.  

[Medanite]

Juan Pablo Duarte

Medanite

I believe one of the men, James Dobson, of KJIL (Christian Radio around the plains) said:
"I don't believe a loving God would put a raging fire in an immature kid and then damn him for doing what he can't help doing"

First, I'm not dealing with whether masturbation is a sin or not in this paragraph. But regarding that argument: What if a person can't help thinking sexually of a girl? It remains being lust, as Jesus described. "But he can't help thinking sexually about her! This is natural! It's just the hormones!" Yet God's standards remain the same.

In the end, its what you do with it that matters. If the image was provoked into your mind by watching Porn a day earlier, then that is your own fault. But if the images come naturally then there is no problem in my opinion. It is, like you said, natural.

Juan Pablo Duarte

Job made a covenant on not looking women lustfully (Job 31:1). We have to work for it. Victory over sexual temptations are not "normal," because the flesh ardently desires to do what opposes the spirit. Victory over sexual temptations are fruit of the grace of God on us, and on us making effort on not triggering lust in our bodies, and on not exposing ourselves into situations that might trigger said lust. "A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it" (Prov. 22:3).

It is something that everyone has to work for. And as the bible says We've got to try to not put ourselves in those situations and if we do find ourselves in one, we need to find an "emergency exit" out of it.

Juan Pablo Duarte

The question is: Is it really God who put the raging fire of lust in an immature kid, or is it just part of the sinful nature of man after the fall? (James 1:13-15). The latter seems more Biblical, while the Word calls us to holiness, not to impurity.

God didn't put the lust in, he just put in the fire that is necessary for a man and his wife to have sexual relations. The fault for lust lies with Adam and Eve, who caused sin to come into the world by the forbidden fruit.

Juan Pablo Duarte

The Bible does not mention masturbation. The example of Onan (one of the most common ones to critique masturbation) was just interrupted coitus. However, in most cases, as you know, masturbation is indeed associated with lust... in this cases, it is a sin, or the consequence of the sin that lust represents.

Yes, the story of Onan and his brother's wife is about how he disobeyed God. We all have lust, however it is how we deal with it, whether we feed the lust or sustain it.

Juan Pablo Duarte

"What if I masturbate without lusting?" I will suppose that at least once in your life you have lusted while masturbating. It is very possible for a person to get used to something and not consider it sinful afterwards. When you get used to sin, your heart is hardened on that specific area, and you no longer see it as something bad. This happens, for example, when someone reads the newspaper. First time: "OH MY BUDDHA! THEY KILLED A MAN!" Second time: "They killed three men in Afghanistan!" Third time: "Twenty men were killed in Colombia!" Fourth time: "Fifty men killed in Iraq." Fifth time: "... Thirty killed in... oh come on. Isn't there anything more interesting in this newspaper?"

Yes, but when something isn't a sin, you get the same result, that is why we have the bible to tell us right from wrong so we can steel ourself from sin.

Juan Pablo Duarte

"I don't do it for sexual pleasure... I do it to relief my hormones/get the stress out of my body/because I'm bored." Sure. Then why don't you do something more productive, something that you actually know that glorifies God?

The only one out of those three reasons that is wrong would be the last one, if your bored, read a book or play games with your family. The first two are the reasons why I actually masturbate, otherwise I would get distracted most of the time while I do my schoolwork by thoughts of girls.

Juan Pablo Duarte

"Right... you say it because you have never masturbated." I have masturbated, and I still struggle with it, and I find that the closer I am to God, the less I need masturbation for "relieving myself." Yet I continue falling from time to time, and I hold to the promise of 1 John 2:1. Why? Because I know I am struggling with my sin, not giving myself up to it.

More power to you, if you feel like you can operate easily without masturbating, then I applaud you. I struggled with Pornography, but when I found that site I was relieved and I prayed for strength in God. It is something we all need to work through.

Juan Pablo Duarte

Again: Whether or not masturbation per se is a sin, the Bible does not say. But just as idolatry can become something we come to accept, masturbation as a consequence of lust can become something we accept, even when apparently "lust is no longer involved when I masturbate."

I agree, but you can choose not to make the action your idol. Idolatry is letting something control your life completely, consuming most, if not all of your time.  

[Medanite]

MagisterofJesusChrist

Medanite

Master Protoman_exe

Medanite

I agree, whenever I do it. I try not to think of anything. I try to focus on the ceiling and not of anything else. Masturbating keeps people from doing stupid things.

I never figured anyone could put it that way...

It's true though. I'm pretty sure that the website I gave you earlier has a chart that shows what paths you can take when you masturbate. I'll go look for it.

Edit- Here is the page link.(Scroll down until you come to a part titled 'How it all fits together) . And if you think about it, It really makes sense.

Click

Dude, this link helped alot, thanks man! guilt is out the window!

Your Welcome! ^^