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 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:55 pm
This sticky is now a place to also discuss bisexuality and trans-sexuality, as well as any other types of gender identity or sexual orientation, including heterosexuality. ~ WARNING: This thread is a trial thread. I will delete it if people start flaming others, if there's rudeness or abuse, etc. This thread is meant for the discussion of homosexuality, heterosexuality, gays, lesbians, bisexuality, transgendered people, sexuality questions, and any other related topics. This thread is meant to help and support others who are going through these things, or who might've already gone through them. If any of these topics bother you, or if you feel strongly against them, LEAVE NOW. Statements like "being gay is wrong" and "fags should be shot" WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. They will earn you a warning, and if it happens again you'll be banned from the guild. I do not want people getting offended because other people can't be tactful with what they say. You don't have to "walk on eggshells" so to speak, just be careful with what you say and be respectful of other people's feelings and their situations. ____________________________________________ Some information that some people might find useful:- A long article on adolescent sexuality. http://www.siecus.org/pubs/fact/fact0020.html- The Kinsey's Institute's Sexuality Information Service for Students: http://www.indiana.edu/~kisiss/ - Sue Johanson's information on homsexuality: http://www.talksexwithsue.com/homosexuality.htmlSome material for the discussion of bisexuality and trans-sexuality:Pharyn pipotron. I don't think I'm bisexual? But I think I had feelings for a girl at some point when I was 14/15. The feelings just died. I've thought about going into a relationship with girls. It doesn't bother me but I haven't been in one yet. Concerning any sexuality, a lot of people always need some kind of requirement or "symptom" to mark that they are gay, straight, bi, or transsexual. I really don't know how much i can tell you except to ask were you physically attracted to this girl? Sometimes "fuzzy" feelings can be very difficult to define in terms of this person makes me feel special: in which case, that could be anyone, a friend, a parent, it says nothing of your sexuality. OR you could have felt like I'm curious about this person[as in, sexually curious]. ~[Alula]~ The situation that occurs with me is that I find myself attracted to both sexes but would only be willing to be in a relationship with a male. I used to think I was bisexual, but my feelings toward my same gender just aren't strong enough for me to consider myself bi. Although, I will admit, sometimes when I see a girl attractive to me my hormones rage, but I would not bother to get to know her on a relationship level because for some reason I just don't feel that I would ever be able to be with a female. I just can't see myself dating a girl because I would miss the kind of love you get from a male body. Which, in any case, could be pure bollocks because It shouldn't be about the body, but about the mind and soul of the person y are with. This is what should matter. heart I would say that if I were ever to become intimate with someone of my same gender, it would only be for that experience, unfortunately. But I don't believe in using people like that. I believe that you should give that type of gift to someone that has proven his/herself worthy. So I have refused, since I was 14, to experiment with a girl. Ill be 17 in a month. I'm currently in a serious relationship with a wonderful young man. I'm very, very much nlove with him and I wouldn't trade him for the world. He knows everything about me, even my light attraction towards women. He's not very esperienced in this field. I suggested that we one day try a threesome(of course, I wasn't thinking things through when I said this, given the views I have on intimacy in the previous paragraph). He got freaked out just a bit by it... I never borught the subject up again. Anyway! I'm blabbering my nuts off here. My doubt is wether I should repress this attraction until I may have the time to myself to experiment(which right now I sort of want, but I care more about my relationship) or if I should just forget it all together because I honestly would rather spend the rest of my life with a man? overcastic Mod edit: The same rules apply to this discussion sticky as to the other two. If you're not sure, go read them, because they will still apply. Any rude or inappropriate posts will result in that guild member being banned. If you have any questions, please PM me (Nikolita).~ well i looked on this forum and didn't see any topics on this...yet so i'm posting one smile so i'm wondering how many of you are transexual? if you care to share. personally i am not but i have a friend who is and she says she gets alot of s**t for it. (she was born a guy but is really a woman) and when we are at school....we used to go to colledge (sp) (i'm a bad speller) together..and she really did get alot of s**t for it...it was awful...the thing i don't get is why are ppl so uncomforable with it? if they are a girl then they are a girl of they are a guy then they are a guy. i mean be who you are. it just made me sooo mad to see others picking on her. i mean some were nice but some were just....sooo mean..it was horriable and i'm wondering how many of you get this on a regualr basis? if you don't mind sharing.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:01 pm
Some ppl are against Gay marriages b/c it is against their religion ((only a man and a woman can get married)). I personally am NOT against gay marriages; ppl should be able to get married b/c they love each other 3nodding heart
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:12 pm
Agreed. biggrin I'm Anglican, and am 100% in support of gay marriages. Actually my church is one of 7 in our diocese of 78 Anglican churches (or something like that) that performs gay marriages. cool *is proud of that fact*
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:17 pm
Nikolita Agreed. biggrin I'm Anglican, and am 100% in support of gay marriages. Actually my church is one of 7 in our diocese of 78 Anglican churches (or something like that) that performs gay marriages. cool *is proud of that fact* I got a little upset when ppl are against it b/c of their selfish reasons sad It's like they forget how this will affect the homosexuals' lives. It's not fair (to me) for only the heterosexuals ((in which I am)) to get married and the gay couples are to never make that kind of commitment. Plus it will be a good thing for orphans. 3nodding Im sure gay couples would love to adopt children 3nodding heart
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:29 pm
This is where I stand on homosexuals and gay marriage:
As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to not allow gay people to get married. Times change, we can't always take the Bible word for word. Why continue to follow laws and rules that are thousands of years old, outdated, etc? Do we still chop off someone's hand for stealing? Do we follow retribution, in which if you take out someone else's eye, they get to take out your eye too in return? No, we don't. So why should be not allow gay people to get married like everyone else?
Gay people are people just like everyone else.
If it bothers someone to see two people of the same sex kissing, they can just look away. It's not going to kill them; their eyes won't burn in their sockets upon seeing a same-sex display of affection. Get. Over. It.
There's more I know, but I'll think of it later, my brain just died. xd
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:33 pm
Nikolita This is where I stand on homosexuals and gay marriage: As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to not allow gay people to get married. Times change, we can't always take the Bible word for word. Why continue to follow laws and rules that are thousands of years old, outdated, etc? Do we still chop off someone's hand for stealing? Do we follow retribution, in which if you take out someone else's eye, they get to take out your eye too in return? No, we don't. So why should be not allow gay people to get married like everyone else? Gay people are people just like everyone else. If it bothers someone to see two people of the same sex kissing, they can just look away. It's not going to kill them; their eyes won't burn in their sockets upon seeing a same-sex display of affection. Get. Over. It. There's more I know, but I'll think of it later, my brain just died. xd Yeah! Why should their relationship be limited to being just couples ((that arent married))??? Not everyone is the same or "normal" ((whatever normal is stare )) and you know, things change and we need to just get over it and be more open-minded 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:11 am
A gay president wouldn't ban heterosexual marriage. I don't mind the idea of gay marriage - there's nothing different about it except that it is two people with penises or two people with vaginas. Big whoop, let's all get homophobic and BAN IT. Doesn't mean that things will change except that now they don't have that extra stage of 'together forever'.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:26 am
Rinaqa A gay president wouldn't ban heterosexual marriage. I don't mind the idea of gay marriage - there's nothing different about it except that it is two people with penises or two people with vaginas. Big whoop, let's all get homophobic and BAN IT. Doesn't mean that things will change except that now they don't have that extra stage of 'together forever'. Yeah... don't get me started on Bush and his goal to ban gay marriage. whee Up here in Canada, there was an election recently and there's one party who has said if they get voted in, they will start passing laws to ban gay marriage and such. I did not vote for them of course, and would be very very upset if they ever were elected into office, as long as this one person (who is against gay marriage) is running at the head of the party. scream
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:03 am
I have all sorts of arguements for this on a personal, religious, societal level...but I think the strongest one that I make and always make, and the one that makes me the most disgusted is this:
I'm a firm believer in the power of the Constitution to GRANT liberties. In fact the only amendment to TAKE AWAY a liberty was the 18th amendment, prohibition of alchohol. Which was repealed only three amendments later. I don't want any more white out on my Constitution.
The simple fact The Constitution GRANTS liberties, it doesn't take them away. And it should remain that way.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:39 am
Nikolita Rinaqa A gay president wouldn't ban heterosexual marriage. I don't mind the idea of gay marriage - there's nothing different about it except that it is two people with penises or two people with vaginas. Big whoop, let's all get homophobic and BAN IT. Doesn't mean that things will change except that now they don't have that extra stage of 'together forever'. Yeah... don't get me started on Bush and his goal to ban gay marriage. whee Up here in Canada, there was an election recently and there's one party who has said if they get voted in, they will start passing laws to ban gay marriage and such. I did not vote for them of course, and would be very very upset if they ever were elected into office, as long as this one person (who is against gay marriage) is running at the head of the party. scream Edit: It was a provincial election, so I was able to vote (I can't vote federally until I'm 19), but the same guy would/could also run (representing his party) in the next federal election I think. confused For the Canadians in the guild - anyone know who Stephen Harper is?
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:53 am
xd I'd just like to point out that the President alone, CANNOT Federally BAN gay marriages. It takes the congress to help him do so. So, if you are for all types of marriages it doesn't matter what Bush thinks, if he doesn't have the backings of congress. (Checks and Balances are there for a reason.) I would start voting for the Senators and Representatives that don't mind gay marriages. It'll be an easier battle to win if we do it that way than just being afraid that ONE guy can change it. He CAN'T. If it does happen you can't just blame him, you'd have to blame ALL of CONGRESS. Edit: BTW if it gets past the Judicial Branch then they are not doing their job of telling the other two branches that they are being unconstitutional. (SP?)
You have to start with the little people.
(for those in the United States.)
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:28 pm
Yi Min xd I'd just like to point out that the President alone, CANNOT Federally BAN gay marriages. It takes the congress to help him do so. So, if you are for all types of marriages it doesn't matter what Bush thinks, if he doesn't have the backings of congress. (Checks and Balances are there for a reason.) I would start voting for the Senators and Representatives that don't mind gay marriages. It'll be an easier battle to win if we do it that way than just being afraid that ONE guy can change it. He CAN'T. If it does happen you can't just blame him, you'd have to blame ALL of CONGRESS. Edit: BTW if it gets past the Judicial Branch then they are not doing their job of telling the other two branches that they are being unconstitutional. (SP?) You have to start with the little people. (for those in the United States.) I've heard that too actually, but it's still a bit of an unnerving (sp?) thought that the President actually wants to ban gay marriage, and would probably do so if he had the power to do it himself. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:34 pm
Nikolita Yi Min xd I'd just like to point out that the President alone, CANNOT Federally BAN gay marriages. It takes the congress to help him do so. So, if you are for all types of marriages it doesn't matter what Bush thinks, if he doesn't have the backings of congress. (Checks and Balances are there for a reason.) I would start voting for the Senators and Representatives that don't mind gay marriages. It'll be an easier battle to win if we do it that way than just being afraid that ONE guy can change it. He CAN'T. If it does happen you can't just blame him, you'd have to blame ALL of CONGRESS. Edit: BTW if it gets past the Judicial Branch then they are not doing their job of telling the other two branches that they are being unconstitutional. (SP?) You have to start with the little people. (for those in the United States.) I've heard that too actually, but it's still a bit of an unnerving (sp?) thought that the President actually wants to ban gay marriage, and would probably do so if he had the power to do it himself. sweatdrop True, but it's best too look at things realistically before getting all nervous and upset about it. 3nodding It'll save you some stress.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:54 pm
Yi Min Nikolita Yi Min xd I'd just like to point out that the President alone, CANNOT Federally BAN gay marriages. It takes the congress to help him do so. So, if you are for all types of marriages it doesn't matter what Bush thinks, if he doesn't have the backings of congress. (Checks and Balances are there for a reason.) I would start voting for the Senators and Representatives that don't mind gay marriages. It'll be an easier battle to win if we do it that way than just being afraid that ONE guy can change it. He CAN'T. If it does happen you can't just blame him, you'd have to blame ALL of CONGRESS. Edit: BTW if it gets past the Judicial Branch then they are not doing their job of telling the other two branches that they are being unconstitutional. (SP?) You have to start with the little people. (for those in the United States.) I've heard that too actually, but it's still a bit of an unnerving (sp?) thought that the President actually wants to ban gay marriage, and would probably do so if he had the power to do it himself. sweatdrop True, but it's best too look at things realistically before getting all nervous and upset about it. 3nodding It'll save you some stress. LoL oh it doesn't make me nervous or upset, it just pisses me right off. blaugh xd As of right now, I think BC is one of like 4 provinces in Canada that can perform gay marriages, which I'm also very proud of. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:27 pm
I think Gay marriage should be aloud...it's not hurting anyone. Besides...many of the people who say no gay marriage are also against sex before marriage yet what do they think theyre making gay people do? Not have a sex life because they arent legally married? No, have sex before marriage which means they can't even HAVE that standard to live by! I also think they should be able to adopt...I know plenty of people who have one of each parent and are plenty messed up so I doubt gender has a damn thing to do with it. Also...well I'm going to stop for now before I go on a massive rant. Just know I feel very strongly about this...
(P.S. I'm not exactly gay...Bi, so, close enough)
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