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 Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:16 pm
Did the new rules announcement throw your quest plans into a panic? Afraid your concept is unrecoverable? There is hope and help! heart
The Fa'e Guild Crew, the intrepid foursome of Kalindara, Arrien, Cerena and Sosiqui, are here to help you re-align your quest and doctor it back into shape! So don't get discouraged. heart Everything will be fine in the end!
To request help, please post here with your quest and we'll help you figure out what needs changing, and talk you through how you can best do this. heart
Note that this thread is temporary only, a service to questers with a quest thread created prior to November 26th, 2006. Thank you!
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:08 pm
Zan doesn't need help finding what needs to be fixed. She knows and is already in a panic on how to do so. I feel that my quest is completely wrong. XD However, I love the myth I chose and do not want to change it. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=6043551 <-- Quest yo. The problems I could best use some advice/help with would be: -My story in general. She/he doesn't die and I'm having an impossible time figuring out how to kill the God/Goddess of the sun. @.@ -Physical Description. I'm sorta worried it's not influenced enough, influenced too much... badly influenced. -Guardian. Like uh... where do I even begin? Is the Guardian supposed to be from Gaia or from where and like wha? *beyond confused here* -Powers. Everyone has at least a little problem with theirs. I'm thinking I have a few that don't work or something that does work that's just lame. Uh, the other three I'm sure I can smooth out eventually but the first one is the biggest problem (guardian's a problem too ><). Cuz like stated, if she doesn't die she can't be reborn, that'd just be silly. Thank you for giving me a chance to request help and even eventually offering it. I really appreciate it. ^^ heart
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:42 pm
Lo and behold, the Cere doth appear!
(HAHA I RHYMED I'M SO CLEVA--::tomato'd:: )
(PPS: Arrien has helped me with several things.)
Okay, in regards to "How do I kill a sun goddess?" -- as much as I hate saying this, you might want to reconsider your myth. I am not saying "No, this is absolutely not possible, you must redo this", BUT I am under the impression that Amaterasu is still.. active? Worshipped? I know Shinto is not as popular as it once was, but...
Also, we already have a (albeit Aztec) sun god Fa'e as well, Naolin. So you might want to check with XBear to make sure she won't feel trodden upon.
Sosi and Kali would probably be better able to clarify this.
Otherwise.. hm.. a death... Maybe something insults her again, somehow (maybe the fact that she's no longer the only sun god/dess XD; ) and she goes back on her promise and hides, this time forever since the world does not plunge into darkness and no one generally misses her? :C
Or perhaps some kind of fight between her and Susano-O causes the latter to kill the former, since it's said he was capable of killing deities...
Ok, physical description! I am not sure how 'special' red eyes will be since she won't be the only Fa'e with them. XD; Off the top of my head, Rei and Yani also have red eyes. If you mean they are entirely red without pupils, or some other trait that would distnguish them from other Fa'e... Perhaps you should clarify.
As for the rest of your appearance, I can't really say -- if you are worried it seems badly influenced, explain how they are influenced from your myth! For example, I can see how her hair is supposed to be a physical representation of the sun, but I am not so sure how her geisha-like face is supposed to factor in, given her mythbase.
Same with the powers; please elaborate and say why she has them specifically. The raising of the internal temperature, the glow, ect, is all very interesting, but I am not sure how the healing fits in (and you might consider that we have a lot of healer Fa'e as it is, so if it's not absolutely necessary, you might consider if it's worth keeping.)
Finally, for the guardian -- they can come from anywhere you'd like! You're not at all restricted to Earth, though it's generally thought that Lost Children's guardians come from Earth. This hasn't been confirmed yet, and other guardians have come from a whole variety of worlds.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:49 pm
The guardian of the Lost Children come from the world that the Lost Children fell into. So if your fa'e was raised on Earth, your guardian is from there. If your fa'e fell into an Asian samurai world, your guardian woukld be from that world.
Basically, your guardian should fit the world your fa'e came from. Where and what that world is, is up to you.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:56 pm
You might also want to check with Youkochylde/Baniru... well, Youko because while he's no longer Nozomi's Guardian, he knows the most about her. Because she's the reincarnation of Izanagi, and I know Izanami is an NPC for Nozomi... I'm not sure about Amaterasu, but since those are the parents of Amaterasu, you should probably ask. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:37 am
Sati has red eyes as well >.>
So no, red colouring isnt special heh
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:30 am
I already spoke to Youko but I didn't consider asking XBear. I think, because Amaterasu is still worshipped... that I might as well just pick another concept. XD Thank you for all your help though, I'll keep that advice in mind as well as the new rules for when I look for my next concept. Sorry if I've caused trouble. XD
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:15 am
Because I'm techincally merging two myths to make more sense with mine, I'm asking for a quick look-over.
The two myths are virtually the same thing. The main idea is just a Brazilian take on a Celtic phenomenon.
But because there is no actual MYTH, there is just the supernatural being, I would probably have to write my own. Is that acceptable? I know I asked Sosi this before, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on it with the new rules, and I don't want to overstep.
Thread: http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=6503543
Thanks guys!
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:22 pm
As long as you don't bring in anything noticably Celtic to contradict the Brazilian appearance and info, I think it's fine. Though I doubt you even need the Celtic mention there. There mightn't be a lot of info on the Mboitata, but you've found several references and have expanded on them nciely in ways that make sense.
Official ruling to Sosi, of course, but I don't see any problems with just having the Mboitata mentioned as the sole mythbase.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:32 pm
Yeah, I think I agree with Kali -- the Celtic interpretation of the Will o' the Wisps is not necessary when you're basing it off an entirely different culture's viewpoint of what it is. From what info I skimmed over in your quest, the two interpretations seem to be so different that it's kind of confusing anyway... If you decide to keep the mythmerging, you might want to explain what exactly is being merged and how they fit together, so slow people like me aren't left scratching their heads and going "...Hunh?"
That is -- I see that Wikipedia said "It's the same phenomenon as Will O' the Wisp", but I think it merely meant that although the folklore are not actually the same, they are, nevertheless, based upon the same phenomenon of the appearance of 'ghost-like' lights. This is still kind of ambiguous though... ::thinks::
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:34 pm
Originally I was going to do more with it. But the more I fleshed out his personality, I was having trouble fitting it in.
Though it's good to get an opinion on it, I can feel more comfortable taking it out. I still have a bit of research to do at the library.
But would I be allowed to write a myth for my concept? All the information I have just describes the Mboitata. It never gives an actual myth.
I think that is my huge question. Thanks for the help!
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:45 pm
As long as it followed the few things we do know - river dwelling, children stealing, etc. - I think that would be fine. Others have written parts of their myths before, when the sources are scare (Yan Lao is only ever mentioned by his title, and his job, nothing about his life or family - if he had one). So as long as it's not contradicting anything specifically stated on your resources, in crossing into weird areas (volcanoes popping up for some reason), it should be fine.
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:13 pm
Here it is, before I go altering my concept I would like to check to see if the direction I'm thinking of will work. Thread: LinkMyth facts: *Brigid is technically a historical figure, a catholic saint. *The life of the nun Brigid is told in many small tales that are each the equal of a fairy tale. Idea: Okay, I will switch the quest from Brigid as a combination of the two intertwined myths and focus on the Celtic goddess. There is a belief that I have come across that she incarnated herself as the nun to lead her followers into a new direction. My one chance at myth twisting (as stated in the new guidelines) is to have this as the way she dies. Brigid would then have led the life of the Irish nun, and died at an old age in the abbey she was in charge of after being an example of what she wanted. To avoid problems with the christian view that there is only one deity, I am using a couple facts of the belief systems. God is believed to be a limitless being. The deities of the Celts can be killed by mortals, indicating them to be higher than men, but not all-powerful. So, she then is lower than God by both belief sets within the myths. So, this means the concept I have wouldn't need to be changed drastically, as far as I can see. Since this takes the catholic religious view out of the concept, being it's from the Celtic myths, I think I have avoided the religion issue. The life of Brigid as a nun has many fairy tale worthy accounts and is a part of the Brigid myths. I think that covers the historical figure aspect. Does this seem like a good idea for fixing possible problems?
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:33 am
Okay. I remember seeing this before and thinking "HMM THIS SOUNDS LIKE I WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY THINK, I'll let someone else handle this." But I will give it a shot anyway.
I am actually unsure whether myth-combining is sanctioned or not -- I guess it depends on whether you believe a god is a separate entity that can be theoretically omnipresent in all religions, with different viewpoints of her manifesting as different incarnations, or a product of religious belief. In the latter, the two entities would be separate; they would have the same name but a different mindset according to their respective cultural beliefs yadda yadda yadda.
So I am not entirely sure -- your explanation, while interesting, is still kind of convoluted (and is brushing very dangerously against the "NO MULTIPLE PAST LIVES" and the "NO MULTIPLE CHARACTERS" rules.) And I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the incarnation thing anyway -- Jesus Christ was considered an incarnation of God, wasn't he? But people treat him as a separate entity, and when he died, God still lived on.
PLUS Saint Brigid is still worshipped today, so I don't know. I think it would be better if you concentrated on just her Celtic counterpart, which 'died' as a result of everyone switching their beliefs to the 'new' Brigid. That way you wouldn't even have to try and meander around the historical figure problems.
As ever, Kali and Sosi override me, so you might want to PM either one of them for a more official ruling.
[EDIT] -- plus if Brigid could just incarnate herself into a mortal with powers (in essence, a Fa'e-like creature!) then what would be the whole point of the venture anyway? ^^;
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:45 pm
Perhaps I should have stuck a note telling that this is a continuation of what me and Sosi were talking about, but I didn't think of it. I think it might be best to leave this in her hands to avoid confusing people. Thanks for the input Cere.
Anyway, if the last stuff I have doesn't work I think I found another myth that might work instead, without having to scrap my character totally.
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