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 Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:57 pm
A thought popped into my head the other day while i was reading a comic about logic. The thought was this: Can anything really be illogical? I mean if you think about it, everything that exists (except thoughts) must be logical in order to exist, so if something that was previously said to be illogical was actually done, wouldn't it be logical because it was done and therefore exists? I don't know, think about it and reply about it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:27 pm
EDIT: you where gone before i could post sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:47 am
Well many people tend to say that strange things are illogical but when you see the big picture, it all makes sense.
Although many things are illogical as well such as paradoxes and stuff ^^
I think you should add more stuff to your first post, elaborate, this is an interesting subject
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:20 pm
I think you are trying to find more depth than there really is.
Somethings existance doesn't define it's logic. it does exist we could not logically claim it to not exist. But it's purposes and it's doings may not have anything to do with being logical, thus illogic. If something is illogical in ways means and purposes than I would see fit to call it illogical.
Everything that exists cannot logical un-exist. But that has nothign to do with whether or not it is logical.
But this can also be subjective to varying points of logic. Logic itself can be flawed in the way it is constructed. Not everyone can find the flaws in their logic and so they would view something as plainly logical. Maybe others would find flaws and see it illogical.
So maybe everything has a form of logic, but that does not make it logical.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:43 pm
Moonlite Symphony I think you are trying to find more depth than there really is.
Somethings existance doesn't define it's logic. it does exist we could not logically claim it to not exist. But it's purposes and it's doings may not have anything to do with being logical, thus illogic. If something is illogical in ways means and purposes than I would see fit to call it illogical.
Everything that exists cannot logical un-exist. But that has nothign to do with whether or not it is logical.
But this can also be subjective to varying points of logic. Logic itself can be flawed in the way it is constructed. Not everyone can find the flaws in their logic and so they would view something as plainly logical. Maybe others would find flaws and see it illogical.
So maybe everything has a form of logic, but that does not make it logical. I agree with you, something being found logical in the past or existing doesnt it make it a logical thing, if it was a theory or something of those sorts then the person who created it or people were illogical people and therefore making that logic illogical biggrin or something.
Also, I moved this into debate & discussion I find this more of a discussion thread than a knowledge thread, although it does pertain to some knowledge I dont think it is enough to fit into the knowledge forum.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:53 pm
When i think about logic, i generally think of thoughts and common sense. Such as, is that thought really logical? If you go by this, then anything can be logical as long as you truly think it, because it would be logical to you. Maybe not the person next to you, but to you it is.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:55 pm
The one problem in your statement is the point where you say (imply) that in order for someything to exist, it must be logical. It is illogical to pour cereal in a bowl, eat it, then pour milk in the bowl. Why? Because it is out of sequence. It is illogical, but DOES exist.
Like I said, that whole idea hangs on the one datum (singular of data) that in order to exist, you must first be logical, which simply isn't true.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:18 pm
Neither logic nor illogic exist. Why? It's all perception from one person's point of view. If someone says that unicorns dance on monkeys, that's logic to them. But to another person, it's logical. I once made one of my classmates shut up because he was bugging me, with my argument stated.
^ That's illogical
^That's logical
^That's illogical
And so forth.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:27 pm
Daunter Neither logic nor illogic exist. Why? It's all perception from one person's point of view. If someone says that unicorns dance on monkeys, that's logic to them. But to another person, it's logical. I once made one of my classmates shut up because he was bugging me, with my argument stated. ^ That's illogical ^That's logical ^That's illogical And so forth. Using "Eye of beholder" reasoning, perfect timing <3 But what I think of logic is fact that it is possible. I don't think pouring in cereal and eating it, then pour in the milk is illogical, using Daunter's reasoning. Logic and illogical is define by "Innocent until proven guilty" type of reasoning. When something occur, then it is logical. But if something is impossible (like trying to literally get infinate amount of money) it is illogical, thus it cannot be done. It is logical to jump off building, but illogical to be able to survive the jump totally naked (unless you happen to be Dr. Doom <_<).
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:05 am
Personally, I find logic to be subjective. I looked logic up on dictionary.com, to see exactly how it was defined.
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic.
3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.
5. convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness: the irresistible logic of the facts.
Now, most of us realize that these defintions aren't very specific. Something can be "correct" or "reliable" in one person's mind while it seems utter nonsense to another. Principles of knowledge are always being changed and improved, so you can't always line up with them. One can be "convincing" to one person but not convincing to another. So basically, logic is at least slightly subjective (of course, I say "slightly" because there are some points, in certain situations, where the majority of people would agree on one thing as the "logical" happening).
You've probably experienced this subjectivity. You do something off an impulse that makes no sense to you later, but your brain arrived at the conclusion to do it through some sort of reasoning. To you, it seemed the logical action. I'm not saying that you can't do something even if you think it is illogical (although, that being said, doing something that seems illogical seems illogical to me) but we know that even within yourself, sometimes logic makes no sense.
Because logic is slightly subjective, we can assume that the term "illogical" is slightly subjective as well. So basically, whether the two terms overlap is based upon one's point of view. As confusing as this is, I think the majority of us can say that there are some situations where we would consider the logical solution to be illogical. Whether logic, in the end, is the same thing as illogical, is a little harder to decide on.
For me, it is. But that's just my point of view.
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:19 pm
Well I say it could depend more on your definitions on illogical
For me, a classic saying is that its illogical to throw baseballs at glass, for there is no point of advantage or anything to gain
From the logic your taking, I would think that your a relistic person, ergo, you believe that so forth that something is proven, then it truly exist
(wow, that doesn't sound like english)
But its too also ask that if you are pagan, or atheist, then many things about god would be illogical (i.e. he can't walk on water, can't come back to life)
Let me ask you this,
Its snowing in a circular field, and there are 3 cows standing on the field.
2 cows that are black with white spots standing on the outside of the circle, and 1 cow that is white with black spots standing on the center of the field.
What time is it?
(tell me if thats logical or not)
{(I do know the answer)}
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:07 pm
I just don't even know what you people are trying to say.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:15 pm
Septomor Well I say it could depend more on your definitions on illogical For me, a classic saying is that its illogical to throw baseballs at glass, for there is no point of advantage or anything to gain From the logic your taking, I would think that your a relistic person, ergo, you believe that so forth that something is proven, then it truly exist (wow, that doesn't sound like english) But its too also ask that if you are pagan, or atheist, then many things about god would be illogical (i.e. he can't walk on water, can't come back to life) Let me ask you this, Its snowing in a circular field, and there are 3 cows standing on the field. 2 cows that are black with white spots standing on the outside of the circle, and 1 cow that is white with black spots standing on the center of the field. What time is it? (tell me if thats logical or not) {(I do know the answer)} Are you asking this to me? Because I don't really think, if you are, that you got my point. My point was that the terms logical and illogical are subjective. I'm not making any statements about science or religion. Now, throwing a baseball at glass. It could depend on the situation, whether it was logical or illogical. What if there was something you needed on the other side of the glass, and the only thing you had to break the glass with was a baseball? Not quite so illogical anymore. Context has a lot to do with it, as well as point of view. And I have no idea about the what time is it question. I'm rather bad at that kind of thing sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:55 pm
aromli Septomor Well I say it could depend more on your definitions on illogical For me, a classic saying is that its illogical to throw baseballs at glass, for there is no point of advantage or anything to gain From the logic your taking, I would think that your a relistic person, ergo, you believe that so forth that something is proven, then it truly exist (wow, that doesn't sound like english) But its too also ask that if you are pagan, or atheist, then many things about god would be illogical (i.e. he can't walk on water, can't come back to life) Let me ask you this, Its snowing in a circular field, and there are 3 cows standing on the field. 2 cows that are black with white spots standing on the outside of the circle, and 1 cow that is white with black spots standing on the center of the field. What time is it? (tell me if thats logical or not) {(I do know the answer)} Are you asking this to me? Because I don't really think, if you are, that you got my point. My point was that the terms logical and illogical are subjective. I'm not making any statements about science or religion. Now, throwing a baseball at glass. It could depend on the situation, whether it was logical or illogical. What if there was something you needed on the other side of the glass, and the only thing you had to break the glass with was a baseball? Not quite so illogical anymore. Context has a lot to do with it, as well as point of view. And I have no idea about the what time is it question. I'm rather bad at that kind of thing sweatdrop I was talking to everyone, but I wasn't asking you personally, also I'm saying that the glass is all thats there, nothing else, besides you and baseball.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:40 pm
Good question...
I'll think about this one...
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