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mikhailxyohman
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:43 am


Alright, this is a debate that has been going on forever.

Should gays be allowed to marry? I think they should. After all they're human beings with a different sexual orientation than what is accepted by the church.

We're denying them of their rights as humans and partners.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:21 pm


Yes.

I see no reason to deny people what should be a basic Civil Right. The Government gives benefits to Married couples thus it should be available to any two people (above the age of Consent) who wish to enter into it.

None of the Arguements against it make any sense. There is no logical proof that allowing gay people to wed will in any way affect Heterosexual marriage by making it somehow less than it is.

Also the slipery slope arguement(You know if you allow Gays to marry what's next someoen marrying thier dog) is a stupid thing to use since by logic all marriage should be banned because allowing some of the population to marry makes others want the right aswell.

Also even if Gay Marriage does become a reality there is no law saying Religious leaders who are opposed to it have to perform the Ceremony. After all Leaders allready have the right to refuse when it comes to performing a Religious Wedding Ceremony.

I mean my Parent's couldn't get married in the Catholic Church because Mom wasn't Catholic so I doubt there'll be anyone holding a gun to thier head saying they have to perform ceremonies they oppose on Religious Grounds.

DaxCordite


freelance lover

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:27 pm


Yes. We have a seperation of church and state in America, and the only backing that people against gay marriage have is religious. It's not a valid argument.

However, I do believe that since church are private sectors, if they don't want to marry a gay couple, to don't have to. However, all people should be granted a legal wedding.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:03 pm


As much as the gay marriage debate is a civil rights issue, there is a lot more to the entire debate.

Every single time I hear someone (politician, talking head pundit on a news program, or my father) defend the ban on gay marriage, they always mention that this new bill is necessary to preserve the sanctity (holiness) of marriage and how homosexual unions are not recognized in the eyes of God. Now, this is where things get sketchy because there are pleanty of heterosexual atheist, hindu, buddhist, muslim, jewish, etc. couples which are legally married but not in the eyes of the christian God (because they do not worship/belive in Him). The way I see it, if the government succeeds at preventing homosexuals from marrying just because the concept goes against their religion, what is to stop them from deciding that all non-Christians cannot get married? And from there, what is to stop them from discarding the US Constitution for the Bible?

And just to be fair, let me just say that I have no problem with a devout Christian believing that his or her personal marriage (or future marriage) carries spiritual value. If you believe that God plays a a significant role in your relationship, that is wonderful, and I'm not going to try to change your mind. However, when a person shows a strong desire to make his or her religious beliefs common law and ultimately force an entire society to practice and live by a single religion (to any degree), that is crossing the line.

Not to make bad analogies or anything but, if you will, think of theology as the roulette table at Las Vegas, and at some point during the course of every man and woman's life, he or she places all of his or her chips on the religion which that person believes is the one which leads to eternal salvation. Now, there are many, many religions to choose from, just like the red and black squares on the casino table and corresponding wheel, and all of them have one thing in common: Nobody can be absolutely, positively certain which religion is the correct one (the one which leads to salvation). But everyone takes an educated guess at some point and decides which creed they feel is the right one to follow. "Feel" is the most important word in that last sentence.

Of all the talk about religion, nobody can actually vouch for God's or Jesus' existance or prove that there is indeed a Heaven, and at the same time, no one can prove that there is no God, Jesus, or Heaven; people only have feelings about the existance or non-existance of a guiding spiritual force and a spiritual kingdom. And because nobody can really claim that their religious belief is more than a feeling, a government has no authority to govern a society on the basis of religion because they may not even be practicing the right religion! All people need to come to their own, personal decision concerning spirituality; after all, if a government forces everyone to bet on red at the "theologian roulette table" (and that basically is what they're trying to do with the ban on gay marriage), and the little ball lands on black, then that means hundreds of millions of people are instantly sentenced to eternal damnation.

The_Wicked_Man


Ensigma

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:27 pm


I don't see why not. It may be considered unconstitutional to make gay marriages illegal.

As long as gay men don't start talking to me, I'm fine with it.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:08 am


Ensigma

As long as gay men don't start talking to me, I'm fine with it.

Ditto.

mikhailxyohman
Crew


freelance lover

PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:32 pm


The_Wicked_Man
As much as the gay marriage debate is a civil rights issue, there is a lot more to the entire debate.

Every single time I hear someone (politician, talking head pundit on a news program, or my father) defend the ban on gay marriage, they always mention that this new bill is necessary to preserve the sanctity (holiness) of marriage and how homosexual unions are not recognized in the eyes of God. Now, this is where things get sketchy because there are pleanty of heterosexual atheist, hindu, buddhist, muslim, jewish, etc. couples which are legally married but not in the eyes of the christian God (because they do not worship/belive in Him). The way I see it, if the government succeeds at preventing homosexuals from marrying just because the concept goes against their religion, what is to stop them from deciding that all non-Christians cannot get married? And from there, what is to stop them from discarding the US Constitution for the Bible?

And just to be fair, let me just say that I have no problem with a devout Christian believing that his or her personal marriage (or future marriage) carries spiritual value. If you believe that God plays a a significant role in your relationship, that is wonderful, and I'm not going to try to change your mind. However, when a person shows a strong desire to make his or her religious beliefs common law and ultimately force an entire society to practice and live by a single religion (to any degree), that is crossing the line.

Not to make bad analogies or anything but, if you will, think of theology as the roulette table at Las Vegas, and at some point during the course of every man and woman's life, he or she places all of his or her chips on the religion which that person believes is the one which leads to eternal salvation. Now, there are many, many religions to choose from, just like the red and black squares on the casino table and corresponding wheel, and all of them have one thing in common: Nobody can be absolutely, positively certain which religion is the correct one (the one which leads to salvation). But everyone takes an educated guess at some point and decides which creed they feel is the right one to follow. "Feel" is the most important word in that last sentence.

Of all the talk about religion, nobody can actually vouch for God's or Jesus' existance or prove that there is indeed a Heaven, and at the same time, no one can prove that there is no God, Jesus, or Heaven; people only have feelings about the existance or non-existance of a guiding spiritual force and a spiritual kingdom. And because nobody can really claim that their religious belief is more than a feeling, a government has no authority to govern a society on the basis of religion because they may not even be practicing the right religion! All people need to come to their own, personal decision concerning spirituality; after all, if a government forces everyone to bet on red at the "theologian roulette table" (and that basically is what they're trying to do with the ban on gay marriage), and the little ball lands on black, then that means hundreds of millions of people are instantly sentenced to eternal damnation.


I like that analogy...

Basically, I'm Christian and as such, I've kinda got a really awkward view on homosexuality. I really detest Christians who shove their religion down other throats because while God tells us to go preach the gospel, other people have to make the first step. You can make someone believe. All we can really do is tell them what we think and they have to make he descion.

So imposing a relgious belief like no same sex marriages seems wrong to me. Heck- every verse in the Bible relating to homosexuality is related to homosexual sex. And if you really wanna stretch that, you could argue that since back then it wasn't legal recognized it's premarital sex. A bit of a catch-22, but not entierly untrue.

But even so, I just can't imagine the Christian God, the God of love, having a problem with two people loving eachother, regardless of gender, you know?

Actually, my youth minister's gay brother just got married and he's Christian, it's kinda neat.

But yeah, I basically agree with you.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:50 am


Does anyone on Gaia actually have any point to make against gay marriage? These sexuality threads have been pretty popular in ED and everyone is always in support... I wanna hear a rational argument against gay marriage. As stupid as that sound, one must exist. Please tell me that a logical grounding exists somewhere, in someone's mind... please?

Unspoken Name


Sanguinello

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:51 am


sorry to disapoint you.... i really don't see why so many straight people are so interested in whether gay people can get married or not.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:11 pm


It's not just because we're straight. And we're fighting for human rights.

Why can a man and woman get married but two men/two women can't get married? Just because it says it in an ancient book written by people back in the day, and steadily adapted.

mikhailxyohman
Crew


[XxGuardianDevilxX]

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:09 pm


mikhailxyohman
Ensigma

As long as gay men don't start talking to me, I'm fine with it.

Ditto.
That's just wrong. Gay men are people just like you or me. They have every right to talk to us. I'm not going to edit your post Ensigma because want you to correct it. Please change it to "As Long as gay men don't start hitting on me, I'm fine with it".
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:34 pm


Oh whoops. I mis-read it. I'm fine with talking to gay guys just as long as they don't start hitting on me.

I've been mistaken to be gay numerous times before, though. Even though I have a girlfriend and I constantly talk about her. rolleyes

mikhailxyohman
Crew


[XxGuardianDevilxX]

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:19 am


mikhailxyohman
Oh whoops. I mis-read it. I'm fine with talking to gay guys just as long as they don't start hitting on me.

I've been mistaken to be gay numerous times before, though. Even though I have a girlfriend and I constantly talk about her. rolleyes
Don't worry about it. You're friends and girlfriend know you're not gay, so you're good for the most part right? mrgreen
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:35 pm


Yesss unless me and my girlfriend break up. It will be hard for me to find another girlfriend since people think i'm gay! redface redface

mikhailxyohman
Crew


[XxGuardianDevilxX]

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:26 pm


mikhailxyohman
Yesss unless me and my girlfriend break up. It will be hard for me to find another girlfriend since people think i'm gay! redface redface
If you think like that then you're definately not going to. Don't whine on the negative aspect of things. You'll never get anywhere doing that. You better be cherishing your girlfriend.
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