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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:43 pm
Our band marched something close to a perfect show for us (ok not the guard cuz our instructor never even shows up). I mean.. I've never seen the intervals so close to perfect and everyone was so happy about the show...
until we came in last place for pretty much everything.
let's put it this way..
really crappy shows (as in made up the last set literally 20 minutes before step off): 82.4
really really really unbelievably good show: 77.6
there's something REALLY WRONG about that.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:50 am
seriously no one ? the judges must really hate our school, cuz this happens at the big competitions every year. We never win cuz we get random points off.
(one judge took off 40 points because he didn't like the transition between movements 1 and 2. I'm really not sure what that has to do wtih our marching.. blame the drill writer at least?)
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:41 am
Our town only had one high school until our school was made.
When we marched in the competitions with the original school, they ALWAYS got a higher score than us.
We would march perfect shows with excellent toelift and ALL! Yet we still get stooped down below the other school.
We later found out that ALL the judges knew the original highschool. They rated them high because they thought we were still wimpy starters... stare
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:29 pm
yeh, we've had that in jazz band and concert band. i'm not going to say anything about marching band because we really do suck a** in that.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:01 pm
. . Keep in mind that you're only at a part of the field. You may have marched well, but I know from experience in a band of 300 people that you never know what goes on in the press box. From where you are, timing errors are hard to find. Also, all of the drill and music counts as well, even if you didn't write it. And acting like a college marching band... DDDx Especially if you're a high school one! I don't understand it. No wonder some bands got so many points taken away. >.< s n o w
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:38 pm
Well, when your director was one of the guys who created the current judging system in the region you live in, and is friends with all the judges...we get fair scores, but I really don't agree with they way of determining a tie. It cost us championships!!!! Stupid general effect score 37.8 v.s. their g.e. score of 37.9....why couldn't you have been .1 higher!!! WE WOULDN'T HAVE LOST!!!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:36 pm
SnowPheonix . . Keep in mind that you're only at a part of the field. You may have marched well, but I know from experience in a band of 300 people that you never know what goes on in the press box. From where you are, timing errors are hard to find. Also, all of the drill and music counts as well, even if you didn't write it. And acting like a college marching band... DDDx Especially if you're a high school one! I don't understand it. No wonder some bands got so many points taken away. >.< s n o w We watched videos of every show afterwards. 1) There was no way we lost in music. The band that won had such horrible intonation. and the judge that marked us off in his tape was like "uh.. the woodwinds should uh.. try to hit those high notes" dude, it's called Leonard Bernstein and dissonance. that guy doesn't deserve to be a judge 2) The visual. ok look pretty much every band did a scatter drill. the visual judge only took off 40 points for US. the other band that won didn't march any better than us. let me put this in perspective.. band that won: 174. us: 109. and trust me there was NO BIG difference in the actual marching. the tapes prove it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:27 pm
. . And what about percussion and auxilary?
Leonard Bernstein and dissonance? Erm, I don't think so. Either he didn't recognize that it was Leonard Bernstein, or it wasn't stylized properly. Music isn't just pitch and tone, it's also the way the music is interpreted, and if everyone on the field plays at the same time or not.
And besides, there's more than just one judge. It'd all equal out in the end somehow.
How did you associate visual with scatter drill? Visual is everything else as well. Was there good recovery? Was the upper body orientation good? Technique? Forms? Constant step-size?
Also, band size makes a lot of difference...
We never watch our tapes. Dx I've never even seen them before. s n o w
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:27 pm
SnowPheonix . . And what about percussion and auxilary?
Leonard Bernstein and dissonance? Erm, I don't think so. Either he didn't recognize that it was Leonard Bernstein, or it wasn't stylized properly. Music isn't just pitch and tone, it's also the way the music is interpreted, and if everyone on the field plays at the same time or not.
And besides, there's more than just one judge. It'd all equal out in the end somehow.
How did you associate visual with scatter drill? Visual is everything else as well. Was there good recovery? Was the upper body orientation good? Technique? Forms? Constant step-size?
Also, band size makes a lot of difference...
We never watch our tapes. Dx I've never even seen them before. s n o w Well everything came from our tapes. Plus our BD got so ticked off he went and yelled at her and she told him specifically that she took points off for the scatter drill, even though her cruddy explanation was "I didn't get the move". And one judge placed us first in music. The judge that didn't catch the dissonance didn't. Our band does tend to focus more on the music than the visual, though. Usually we win the sweeps for music and score pretty high for GE but not necessarily get sweeps. I'm answering your post backwards, but oh well. Our percussion got third in our class, which.. once again ticked off our BD. Like I said, a lot of our focus is on music, and we have pretty much the best tone at every comp we go to. Or, at the very least, much better soloists. And by the way, it really was the judges' faults. There was a huge delay in the awards ceremony because the head judges weren't really willing to let the judges turn their scores in. Plus the board of our state band association knows about it but they're just not doing anything to find better judges
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:17 am
. . Ah, then I suppose I'll have to agree with you. We usually focus more on music too. xP
We had one, erm...unfair judge. I won't say names because I'm not supposed to, but... >.>
He was the new head of the marching department this year and he got pissed at my band director because we were late to our performance...or nearly, at least. We had half the band taking PSAT, and then we went overtime with our rehersal, and there was too much traffic. So when the guy got mad, he told all the judges that our head band director didn't want us competing, and only wanted us on exhibition. He even told all the judges that we didn't want scores, sheets, anything. o.o Problem was, my band directors know all the other judges and band directors in the circuit, so they talked about it all later and got it sorted out. C: We're all over it and forgiven, tho.
So I guess we're rather well off. We never get percussion captions. s n o w
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:59 pm
lol I'm glad you guys sorted that out. Wow that'd really suck to go all the way there just to not even get a score stressed
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:51 pm
Now...I will keep my mouth closed about the USSBA judges (because I think some very colorful language would come out) but how the hell does this happen?
They use double judges and we were put in 2nd and first place for all of the areas...except for one. He put us in 8th. Because of that we were bumped down to third place.
How the hell does that happen? I thought we had a 2nd place show because it fell apart completely in one part. Not 3rd and certainly not 8th! It doesn't seem right.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:24 pm
that's happened in nearly every comp so far. Whenever there are glaring errors, we do awesomely. But, whenever like 3 people made tiny little mistakes we lose. It really tends to piss off the band when we fix our errors from the last show then our score goes down
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:22 pm
laughingpiggy SnowPheonix . . Keep in mind that you're only at a part of the field. You may have marched well, but I know from experience in a band of 300 people that you never know what goes on in the press box. From where you are, timing errors are hard to find. Also, all of the drill and music counts as well, even if you didn't write it. And acting like a college marching band... DDDx Especially if you're a high school one! I don't understand it. No wonder some bands got so many points taken away. >.< s n o w We watched videos of every show afterwards. 1) There was no way we lost in music. The band that won had such horrible intonation. and the judge that marked us off in his tape was like "uh.. the woodwinds should uh.. try to hit those high notes" dude, it's called Leonard Bernstein and dissonance. that guy doesn't deserve to be a judge 2) The visual. ok look pretty much every band did a scatter drill. the visual judge only took off 40 points for US. the other band that won didn't march any better than us. let me put this in perspective.. band that won: 174. us: 109. and trust me there was NO BIG difference in the actual marching. the tapes prove it. Gotta love that composer of West Side Story.....that stuff is some of the hardest music I've had to play...I don't blame you, that judge must just not have been able to recognize it or something. stare
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:26 pm
Blckpanthr13 laughingpiggy SnowPheonix . . Keep in mind that you're only at a part of the field. You may have marched well, but I know from experience in a band of 300 people that you never know what goes on in the press box. From where you are, timing errors are hard to find. Also, all of the drill and music counts as well, even if you didn't write it. And acting like a college marching band... DDDx Especially if you're a high school one! I don't understand it. No wonder some bands got so many points taken away. >.< s n o w We watched videos of every show afterwards. 1) There was no way we lost in music. The band that won had such horrible intonation. and the judge that marked us off in his tape was like "uh.. the woodwinds should uh.. try to hit those high notes" dude, it's called Leonard Bernstein and dissonance. that guy doesn't deserve to be a judge 2) The visual. ok look pretty much every band did a scatter drill. the visual judge only took off 40 points for US. the other band that won didn't march any better than us. let me put this in perspective.. band that won: 174. us: 109. and trust me there was NO BIG difference in the actual marching. the tapes prove it. Gotta love that composer of West Side Story.....that stuff is some of the hardest music I've had to play...I don't blame you, that judge must just not have been able to recognize it or something. stare lol when we played this in concert band last year I was still on contrabass clarinet, so after playing a year of armenian dances on a Bb clarinet, it seemed like a piece of cake. but then again, I was playing the barisax part but yeah.. our director was a bit unsure about whether or not to change our parts in the second movement.. because there's a flute solo where the soloist is playing a concert ...F, and everyone else is playing a high concert F# and it clashes so much. But then he decided not to because he was like 'whatever, the noobs probably can't even hear it anyway' xp
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