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nekok

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:38 am


I hope we're allowed to post this here and that there isn't a thread for this...

Anyhow, I was told to write a little bit about why I am pro-life.


I believe strongly that abortion IS murder because when you kill someone, you are robbing them of their life. Therefore, by aborting a child, you are robbing him/her of his/her life. Therefore, I think it's immoral and wrong.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:05 am


I'm pro-life because I think that one of the most horrible crimes one can commit is infanticide, and I see an unborn child as no less of a human as a newborn.

I've considered myself pro-choice in the past, but this did not reflect my beliefs. I believed that in some cases, such as the rape of a young girl who would have permanent physical and mental damage from giving birth, or in the case that the mother and/or the baby would die in childbirth, abortion would be an option - granted, the last one. But, even in rape, it's the unborn child being punished for the rapist's actions. In short, I believed that if the mother (and possibly the child) would become permanently damaged or killed in the process of childbirth, then abortion would be an option.

However, this is in no way a pro-choice opinion. Pro-choice supports women who having willingly had sex, protected and unprotected alike, who become pregnant having the option of abortion. How can anyone support that? If you have sex, you are taking the known risk of pregnancy. No form of birth control is 100% effective, so although the risk is usually effectively reduced, the chance is still there. Only when one understands that the risk is there and that they must be responsible for the possible resulting human life are they ready to have sex.

However, there are still the horror stories you hear about women abandoning their newborns and allowing them to slowly die in dumpsters and bushes. So, obviously, there are some people who can't handle the responsibility.

I think the best thing we can do, for now, is help provide mothers considering abortion information about alternatives, such as giving the baby up for adoption. It goes even further, though. People need to accknowledge that sex in any situation can lead to pregnancy, and that if you choose to have sex, you choose to accept any of the possible resulting consequinces. Rape victims need more support, and they need to be able to see the baby not as a b*****d child, but as their child. Education, support and lots of love to pregnant mothers can do a lot for both the babies, and themselves.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:42 am


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However, there are still the horror stories you hear about women abandoning their newborns and allowing them to slowly die in dumpsters and bushes. So, obviously, there are some people who can't handle the responsibility.


I don't remember if I've stated this fact or not but any woman who can not, for any reason, take care of her baby can leave it at a hospital or fire station no questions asked and he/she will be taken care of. It's a law and I think women should be aware of this. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:44 am


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However, there are still the horror stories you hear about women abandoning their newborns and allowing them to slowly die in dumpsters and bushes. So, obviously, there are some people who can't handle the responsibility.


I don't remember if I've stated this fact or not but any woman who can not, for any reason, take care of her baby can leave it at a hospital or fire station no questions asked and he/she will be taken care of. It's a law and I think women should be aware of this. 3nodding


Exactly .. I think some women get so overwhelmed by the panic or shame of having a pregnancy or a baby that they make horrible and quick decisions regarding themselves and the child. This applies to most situations regarding abortion .. if you look at the accounts of women who have had abortions and are emotionally destroyed by it, you'll find that many say that they were told abortion was the "quick-fix" way to solve the "problem." What they were never told was the guilt and depression they would feel after, and the regret for that decision.

I think that no woman should be alone through pregnancy and childbirth. Communities need to reach out to women with unwanted pregnancies and let them know that they always have options and support. Honestly, so few women actually have hate for the child within them, but they just want to be released from the situation. If every one of them had a better understanding of their options and had love from family and friends regardless of their pregnancy, I think we'd see a lot fewer abortions.

It's not about taking a choice away. It's about helping loved ones make a choice they won't have to regret, while protecting unborn children.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:14 am


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I think that no woman should be alone through pregnancy and childbirth. Communities need to reach out to women with unwanted pregnancies and let them know that they always have options and support. Honestly, so few women actually have hate for the child within them, but they just want to be released from the situation. If every one of them had a better understanding of their options and had love from family and friends regardless of their pregnancy, I think we'd see a lot fewer abortions.

It's not about taking a choice away. It's about helping loved ones make a choice they won't have to regret, while protecting unborn children.
I LOVE YOU. lol. Just had to let you know that. People treat abortion like the solution to communities frowning upon pregnant women. I dunno. One thing that can help is providing information to mothers about homes they can go to; places for pregnant women who have nowhere to go and are desperate. Most of the places I've seen are very loving and supportive communities. A few of them allow the women to choose abortion, but few women do because they've got so much support around them all of the time, and they're helped through all the way and made to feel proud that even though they ended up in a sticky situation, they did the mature and ethical thing, they remained strong and they made sure that the baby was given a shot at life. These places usually place the children and help the mother with that. I love places like this just because it's what a community should be. You decide what to do, but we're gonna be here to love and support you the whole way through.

ok, I'm done ranting. but Community is so important.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:38 pm


I'm prolife because I'm strongly disagree against the abortion of innocent unborn babies.

I think it is utterly unfair, how a innocent person's life is ended, because of the irresponsibility of a couple who had sex, and didn't use protection. I find it disgusting how some teenage girls just keep getting pregnant because they don't have protection, then keep aborting their child, as if it was some kind of a sick game. Those who placed themselves in the motherhood situation must pay for the consequences, just as the baby has to pay for their actions.

And as someone else said, even if a person got raped etc, the child is being punished for the rapist's actions, not the rapist. There should be tougher laws on charging rapists.

UNLESS, both the baby, or mother is in life threatening danger is abortion necessary, otherwise, NO GO. Perhaps they should place a law on abortion. I mean, I know I'm being a bit harsh, but it IS utterly unfair.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:21 pm


Know what my annoyance is? These people say the government has no right blah blah blah.....THE MAIN GOVERNMENT HAD NO RIGHT TO MAKE IT NATIONWIDE MANDATORY ABORTION AVAILABILITY AND LEGALITY DURING THE FIRST TRIMESTER! IT USED TO BE FREAKING STATES RIGHTS! CA AND NY BOTH HAD IT FREAKING LEGAL! But no, now I can't live in any state that can guarantee that my daughter, while unable to get a piercing or tattoo without my consent, can go without me knowing it to some clinic that I don't have any idea how sanitary, reputable, safe, etc....it all is, where I can't meet the doctor and know that my daughter is in safe hands, Where I can't be there to give them hell if there are any complications or hold her hand so she won't be alone because she won't realize until halfway through how terrifying it is. I'd be much more comfortable with a law that said parents cannot refuse abortions to their daughters but they must be aware of it. It makes me so FREAKING MAD AND SCARED STIFF that my friends and family, future children included, are at such a high risk. Last time I checked, abortion fatalities, especially among minors, were MUCH higher than ear piercing fatalities.

How messed up is that?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:10 pm


I'm not pro-life. I'm just anti-babykilling. I'm pro-military and pro-death penalty. I believe every child, including unborn ones, are blessings from God, and that marriage is the only situation in which anybody should be having sex. Supporting abortion is the destruction of the most innocent of human life, as well as the rejection of blessings. Additionally, I oppose promiscuity, which abortion basically promotes. They had their choice already when they got laid.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:32 am


Ah. Why I'm pro-life, this could take awhile.

Well firstly I'm about as pro-life as they come. I'm against the war (Which reminds me I still have to counter I.Am. I get around to it someday.) I'm against the death penalty, I'm against abortion, and I'm vegetarian.

Now if "But vegetables are living and you're killing them when you eat them!" popped into yourself, you obviously don't know how fruit/vegetables work.

You see they were designed for the soul purpose of being eaten. That's why all their seeds are where they are and why they're edible. When say, a deer eats an apple, they eat the whole thing. The seeds then pass through them and come out in their poop. What is supposed to happen then is a new apple tree will grow.

Also the whole eating eggs bull I already have a thread on.

My reasoning for not eating animals is a mixture between religion and morals, so it's not something I shove down anyone's throat. I believe everyone and everything is equal, as we are all part of Spirit. Every single living thing has Spirit within them and so every living this should be revered and their lives should be considered sacred.

I don't like getting bundles of flowers for dates and such because to me that's just sick. One I can stand, but I will probably pray to the flower when you're not looking and thank it for it's sacrifice.

As for the killing of fetuses that's completely an ethical thing. Which I DO have the right to shove down everyone and anyone's throat. Until murder is legalized I will continue shoving it down people's throat. The choicers all agree (or so it seems from the guild posts of theirs.) that a fetus is human. They have yet to come up with a scientifically correct explaination why a fetus is not living. All of their arguements are based on personal belief. (Believe me, I asked one of them for scientific evidence that a fetus is not alive and she said to give her time to research and I never heard from her again.)

If both of these are true (A fetus is human and living.), aborting a fetus is homicide.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:20 am


toxic_lollipop
Ah. Why I'm pro-life, this could take awhile.

Well firstly I'm about as pro-life as they come. I'm against the war (Which reminds me I still have to counter I.Am. I get around to it someday.) I'm against the death penalty, I'm against abortion, and I'm vegetarian.

Now if "But vegetables are living and you're killing them when you eat them!" popped into yourself, you obviously don't know how fruit/vegetables work.

You see they were designed for the soul purpose of being eaten. That's why all their seeds are where they are and why they're edible. When say, a deer eats an apple, they eat the whole thing. The seeds then pass through them and come out in their poop. What is supposed to happen then is a new apple tree will grow.

Also the whole eating eggs bull I already have a thread on.

My reasoning for not eating animals is a mixture between religion and morals, so it's not something I shove down anyone's throat. I believe everyone and everything is equal, as we are all part of Spirit. Every single living thing has Spirit within them and so every living this should be revered and their lives should be considered sacred.

I don't like getting bundles of flowers for dates and such because to me that's just sick. One I can stand, but I will probably pray to the flower when you're not looking and thank it for it's sacrifice.

As for the killing of fetuses that's completely an ethical thing. Which I DO have the right to shove down everyone and anyone's throat. Until murder is legalized I will continue shoving it down people's throat. The choicers all agree (or so it seems from the guild posts of theirs.) that a fetus is human. They have yet to come up with a scientifically correct explaination why a fetus is not living. All of their arguements are based on personal belief. (Believe me, I asked one of them for scientific evidence that a fetus is not alive and she said to give her time to research and I never heard from her again.)

If both of these are true (A fetus is human and living.), aborting a fetus is homicide.
lol....that's the only one I agree with you on.

I'm pretty hypocritical by saying I'm pro-life, considering I'm pro-war (when necessary) and pro-death penalty (also when necessary) and pro-animal eating (again....when necessary, don't much like meat). I do, however, trap bugs and set them free outside, even spiders, instead of squishing them. Well, ticks and mosquitos I kill but I have a right, they're trying to kill me. And I used to have funerals if I found a dead field mouse or bird. But I'm pretty pro-survival, so war and death-penalty and even meat-eating are pretty big on my list in order to keep myself and other humans alive. I place much more value on human life than any other life because, well, I"m selfish like that...I love my animals and do believe they have souls and all, but if it's saving the dog or saving a person, I know which one I'd drag out of the burning building. Unless that person was someone who I really didn't like...jk.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:46 am


I'm pretty much pro-life all the way (anti-abortion/killing of babies, anti-war--although as a historian these are to some extent inevitable whether I like them or not--, anti-death penalty). I don't support taking the life of another individual for any reason. period, and I consider unborn children to be just as much people/individuals/human beings as the rest of us. ...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:39 pm


KasumiAngel
I'm pretty much pro-life all the way (anti-abortion/killing of babies, anti-war--although as a historian these are to some extent inevitable whether I like them or not--, anti-death penalty). I don't support taking the life of another individual for any reason. period, and I consider unborn children to be just as much people/individuals/human beings as the rest of us. ...
I do too. but I think sometimes death is necessary in cases where a murderer keeps harming people in jail and things. Sometimes I just feel like, if someone is a danger to society and there is no way around it...of course these occassions would be rare, but....I'm extremely against unnecessary death. I'm okay with hunting if you eat what you kill, or the animal was diseased and a danger to spreading it to people or your pets, like an animal with rabies or something. Rabies is nasty.... I would never condone killing something for the fun of it and not using it to survive. I guess I have limits, like, not hunting babies or mothers even for food. but i'm pretty death-ish. War is sometimes necessary, I believe, in order to save more humans....I mean, if no one had stopped Hitler, the deaths would've far surpassed 13 million. I guess my view is sometimes sacrifices must be made and it's never moral, but it can be ethical.

I'm weird with abortion. I feel babies. No, I'm serious, I feel two distinct sets of emotions when I talk to a pregnant woman. sometimes they're similar, sometimes they're not. Never feel anything like that from anyone else though. I've got strong feelings about killing the innocent, too. It's unexcuseable to me.

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Elternalmina

PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:57 pm


toxic_lollipop
Ah. Why I'm pro-life, this could take awhile.

Well firstly I'm about as pro-life as they come. I'm against the war (Which reminds me I still have to counter I.Am. I get around to it someday.) I'm against the death penalty, I'm against abortion, and I'm vegetarian.

Now if "But vegetables are living and you're killing them when you eat them!" popped into yourself, you obviously don't know how fruit/vegetables work.

You see they were designed for the soul purpose of being eaten. That's why all their seeds are where they are and why they're edible. When say, a deer eats an apple, they eat the whole thing. The seeds then pass through them and come out in their poop. What is supposed to happen then is a new apple tree will grow.

Also the whole eating eggs bull I already have a thread on.

My reasoning for not eating animals is a mixture between religion and morals, so it's not something I shove down anyone's throat. I believe everyone and everything is equal, as we are all part of Spirit. Every single living thing has Spirit within them and so every living this should be revered and their lives should be considered sacred.

I don't like getting bundles of flowers for dates and such because to me that's just sick. One I can stand, but I will probably pray to the flower when you're not looking and thank it for it's sacrifice.

As for the killing of fetuses that's completely an ethical thing. Which I DO have the right to shove down everyone and anyone's throat. Until murder is legalized I will continue shoving it down people's throat. The choicers all agree (or so it seems from the guild posts of theirs.) that a fetus is human. They have yet to come up with a scientifically correct explaination why a fetus is not living. All of their arguements are based on personal belief. (Believe me, I asked one of them for scientific evidence that a fetus is not alive and she said to give her time to research and I never heard from her again.)

If both of these are true (A fetus is human and living.), aborting a fetus is homicide.


Go veggies!!!They taste absolutely delicous! Have you tried some of the Asian veggies?

I'm wanting to turn semi vegetarian. 3nodding
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 11:27 pm


Elternalmina

Go veggies!!!They taste absolutely delicous! Have you tried some of the Asian veggies?

I'm wanting to turn semi vegetarian. 3nodding


Semi vegan? Is that possible? = If the answer's yes, I want to join too. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:54 am


I'm pro-gun, pro-hunting, pro-fishing, and pro-meat. If this is going to be a vegitarian/vegan guild I'll go elsewhere.
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