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Don'ty worry mods, this post is being made because it is all on our minds. This is where the guild can post what they believe in about Gay Marriage, Abortion, the war in iraq, taxes, anything political.

Here are the strict rules!
1. NO FLAMING!
2. NO JUDGING, but you may put possibilities using words like "may"
3. Follow all guild, GGN, and Gaia ToS in this topic.
4. No mods delete this post or lock it until 3 moderators on Gaia can prove to me how this will turn someone away from christ. 1 moderator has to be a captain.
5. Any breaking of these rules will result in an automatic referal to a crew member or the captain. Violations can result in a demotion of power.

Liberal. I think the right have it wrong and generally make a mockery of Christianity (Mark Foley is one example). I believe America is a free country and that we shouldn't come in and force our religion on others through a free government which is meant to have no religious rulings. I also believe it is wrong to take away people rights because of their sexual orientation and it is disrespectful to the homosexual community to give them "civil unions" but not give them the respect to call those unions marriage. I also am pro choice, but pro choice and anti life are two different things. I think women should have the right to two abortions each and they must do it before the second trimester begins (first three months), but of course it won't count if it is for something like rape. I also am very against the war. Their was no reason to go to war (well not in Iraq anyways) and all we've done is make it worse (their on the verge of civil way.) I don't think myself to be a liberal Christian I just think myself as a Christian who votes as a Christian, not conservative or liberal.

Link, I have a problem with rule number 4 and am telling you now that if I feel that this post is causing problems I will lock it and possibly move it to the mods forum for a time to review the post. I know you don't like us taking your post away, but if we feel it's causing a problem, we reserve the right to review the post in private.

No it says one mod must be "a" captain. And me and John (Learning) are both Vice Captains so it protains to us and we both disagree with that rule. And it's stated now that if either of us see this causing a problem, we won't hesistate to lock and/or possibly move it to the crew forum. (Although right now I see no problem with this debate.)

One don't call me a liberal becaquse I stay neutral when it comes to stuff like this. Mainly because I'm not too informed on all subjects. But when it comes to a lot of political issues and stuff I'm a conserative thank you very much. Secondly I have talk to Mike about stuff like this before and how I help out with the forum and he has not shown any objections to how I do so.

Allright! What is your beliefs on this topic.

Gay rights

I believe a Homosexual is a sinner. I believe they sin when they are Gay and it shows from the beginning of time that they are sinners. WE SHOULD ABOLISH rights for Gay people because "Sinners who refuse to repent, shouldn't be housed by the just people of America." No they should either be counseled and turn from Homosexuality or be rejected. Maybe if they are rejected, they will change their ways. I think that God will forgive them if they CHANGE but if they don't and their heart is hardened they should not be helped.

Example from Bible:
Sodom and Gimorah.

This is very wrong. Firstly, America is not a Christian nation. We shouldn't be butt holes to everyone else because it's a sin to us. An atheist wouldn't have a problem with gay people and believe it or not we have to share America. Secondly if we make a law against homosexuality than we would have to make a law against all other sin. That's what your saying basically, homosexuality is a sin and therefore we must ban sin, and if we banned sin then everyone would be in jail and therefor we would have to fund prisons, there would be nobody to run America because the poloticians would all be in jail. All the doctors would be in jail along with the police and firemen, and all the gaurds would be in jail so there would be nobody in jail. Now you might say "but we don't have to ban all sin in America." But if no sin is held over another than we would or we're just being hypocrits as a religion. That is why we choose battles that affect the safety physically and mentally of other people and I don't see how homosexuality harms people. So don't take your anger out on the homosexuals for sinning without taking yourself to jail for sinning first.

I'm going to also talk about quotes from two respected Christians. One is C.S. Lewis who talks about how he doesn't vote in Parliament people who want to make laws banning divorce because he doesn't want to impose his rights on people. Another is Dallas Taylor who said this about Christian music but this could be applied to in this type of situation:
"I feel like so much of music today, especially those who come from a Christian background, spend so much time hiding who they really are, or being ashamed of their beliefs, trying to be 'scene' or to sell records. I want every kid to know I am not going to change who I really am to sell records. I mean, I absolutely hate shoving things down people's throats, but hiding who you are is just as bad."
Yes, we should be proud of being Christian like he said, but he also talks about how he hates shoving things down peoples throats. Now this is a respected Christian musician who formed Underoath and is in Maylene and the Sons of Disaster talking about his beliefs in music. This can be applied to all aspects of Christianity though. A sense of not hiding our belief but not forcing our belief upon others or shoving our belief down peoples throats. That's why I don't believe in banning marriage. I think we should make laws against things that harm people mentally or physically or go against there unalienable rights, but being homosexual harms nobody, whether it is sin or not. So murder or rape does harm people mentally and physically, that is why those sins should be banned by law, but homosexuality shouldn't. If you don't agree with me then turn yourself into the nearest jail for being a sinner before the next time you vote against homosexuality.