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Niharana

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:29 am


Through out the ages, Christianity (and Judeaism for that matter) have had a close relationship witht eh paranormal, both in the form of a Divine Creator and with demons, angels, and ghosts (Oh My! *smacks random musical voice*) There are the Seals of Solomon, the various miracles in the Bible and Torah (both the ones performed by God and by God through humans), and the history of Mysticism in the early Christian Church.
I was just wondering if anyone had any information on Christian Mysticism, or Mysticism/Witchcraft in any other religion.
Thank you and may the God and Goddess bless you to the fulfillment of your life and your soul's nature.
Have a Nice Day smile
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 2:01 pm


Niharana
Through out the ages, Christianity (and Judeaism for that matter) have had a close relationship witht eh paranormal, both in the form of a Divine Creator and with demons, angels, and ghosts (Oh My! *smacks random musical voice*) There are the Seals of Solomon, the various miracles in the Bible and Torah (both the ones performed by God and by God through humans), and the history of Mysticism in the early Christian Church.
I was just wondering if anyone had any information on Christian Mysticism, or Mysticism/Witchcraft in any other religion.
Thank you and may the God and Goddess bless you to the fulfillment of your life and your soul's nature.
Have a Nice Day smile
Well, other than miracles, oracles, prophets, devils, ect.

Not really. Let me go grab the ULTIMATE SUMMARY OF RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS: The Idiots guide to World Religions.(Seriously, it has detailed summarys that make sense of many religions. I use it when I don't feel like running over and grabbing the Bhagvad-Gita or the Koran and doing some hard studing.)

Wait.... I can't find it. Ummm.... I'll be back soon with your answer.

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Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:08 pm


I think Gnostic Christianism might have some Christian mysticism. I don't know...Ask Eteponge on that one.

I for main stream Christianity, I don't they're too closely tied to paranormal happenings. They view them more as "works of god" before they tie them into some sort of mystical theory. Christians believe in Angels and demons, but they merely acknowledge their presence, no ritual contacting them, or anything like that. At least, that's what I was taught during my former Christian years.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:26 pm


I'd check any of the links in this guild's linklist under the topics Gnosticism and Mormon Mysticism. There's alot of information there. Also, try talking to Eteponge about early Christianity. He knows alot about it. wink

As far as later mysticism or witchcraft in Christianity, It seems that during the conversion of Europe, Christianity and Catholicism specifically adopted many Pagan customs in hopes of gaining more Pagan converts. The most obvious examples are holidays.

Easter = Ostara, the day on which the Goddess Eostra was worshipped using fertility rites. (These ferlitily rites also explain why bunnies and eggs are symbols of the holiday.)

Christmas = Yule, the day on which the Pagan god was said to be reborn and begin life anew. It's pretty curious that both Yule and Christmas celebrate the birth of a god. In truth, there is no accurate way to determine the date of Jesus's birth, so, to gain converts, why not make it the same day as other gods?

Halloween = Samhain. This is one holiday that I believe was fully Pagan before Christians adopted it. And if you don't think Halloween is a Christian holiday, look at it this way. Halloween literally means All Hallow's Eve, which is the day before All Saints Day (or All Hallow's Day.) The next day is All Soul's Day. If there's a day to honour all dead saints, there has to be a day to honour all dead Christians in general. They placed these days on these dates because Samhain has always been a time to honour the dead.

And other ways in which the Church was influenced by Paganism has to do with saints. When Christianity first began to spread, many local dieties were turned into saints by local pastors in hopes that people would go to church if they were still able to worship their gods. Some examples of Pagan gods-turned Christian saints would be Saint Bridgit (the Goddess Brigid) or Saint Cern (the old God Kernunnos).

On this same topic, Pagan gods were also turned into devils. Both the Goat and the Deer were held in high reguard by Pagans as they provided life for the people by providing food. These two animals were held in such high reguard that some Pagan gods were even part deer or part goat and had horns on their heads. During the conversion, the Church claimed that these "horned gods" were evil and were of the devil. This is how we came to see the modern image of the devil as a horned figure.

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Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:08 pm


Christians have a different theory of the December date as far as Christmas goes. St. Francis of assissi started that in December because that was when people were celebrating St. Nicks day.

To Understand the rest of this you have ot understand St. Nick. WAY way back, girls had to pay a Dowry in order to get married. Well, a particular family had three daughters, but they were so poor that they could not pay the dowries for the daughters to be married off. The father was going to put his daughters into prositution in order to get the money they needed. St. Nick didn't want to see this happen to the girls, so late at night, when the family put out their shoes (As was tradition), St. Nick put some gold coin's in the eldest daughter's shoes so she could get married. For many years after St. Nick would put gold in shoes of poor families to help them marry their daughters. St. Nick died on Dec. 6, shortly after his death people celebrated his generosity by giving each other gifts every December 6th.

Back to St. Francis. St. Francis saw this holiday, and wanted to do something for Christ, since there was no set day to celebrate their Savior. However, he didn't want St. Nicks Day to drown out the excitment of the birth of Christ so he moved nearly 20 days after St. Nick's Day. In order to show the love that Christ brought into the world when he was born people exchanged gifts, taking after the three wise men.

Now, other traditions such as Yule logs, Christmas trees, and missletoe filtered in from other religions as time went on, but that was how Christmas ended up in December in the first place.

^____^ Yes, this is long because I LOVE winter holidays! heart

EDIT: The reason Christmas is the same month as St. Nick was to perhaps take the emphasis off of him and put it more onto Jesus himself. After all, the reason St. Nick was made a Saint was because he so closely followed Christ's teachings. So it would only make sense to make a bigger celebration out of Jesus himself.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:28 pm


Also another reason many historians believe Christmas was celebrated in December is that when Constantine adopted Christianity he still practiced the Roman pagan Religion. Around mid Decembe rin ancient Paganistic Rome they celebrated Saturnalia which is dedicated to Saturn. Since Constantine wouldn't celebrate paganism openly many theorize that this is why he celebrated in December and it was held around that time later by the church to stamp out Saturnalia period so more would be focused on Christianity and not Paganism.

The Polish Chicken


Eteponge

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:31 pm


Christian Gnosticism, like Hinduism, covers practically everything. I'm tired right now, I might post some more information later.

Several Gnostic Christian Scriptures mention Astral Projection / Out Of Body Experiances (Even in the New Testament in Saint Paul's Letters), and in Gnostic Christian Scriptures (Even in the Old Testament and New Testament) it mentions Pre-Existance and Reincarnation. Jewish Kabbalah and Christian Gnosticism are filled with Magick and Esoteric Teaching. Free Masonry and Golden Dawn and similar Esoteric Organizations were influenced heavily by Jewish Kabbalah and Christian Gnosticism. I have lots of information compiled on the subject of Magick and Occult Elements present in the OT and NT. Etc.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:29 pm


I believe the Christians adopted some of the others too - and a lot of the persecution of witches was based on the Christian/Pagan rivalry. Since Pagans (generally speaking) were often well-versed on herbal remedies, these were considered works of the devil (and god created them... ironic, no?). So begins the Black Cat superstition.

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Tililing

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:27 pm


I am a Wiccan.
The wicca religion is not about black magic, the pentagram is not a mark off the satanic people. We do not harm people, it will get back att you tree full...Is not only tha magig that is important, is it the believe. I believe in nature, the goddess and the god.
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