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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:11 pm
I would like to bring to discussion a subject now so that I can get an idea of where everyone stands and feels about the issue. If you didn't guess from the title, this issue is love.
It's a common aligation I hear that Buddhism is anti-love. And we are talking about interpersonal relationship style love here. While it can't be douted that buddhist are pro compassion, love as a special bond between people can be seen as hurting buddhist goals. That buddhist Dharma is anit love, anti family, anti friends and so fourth. That they are all attachments. What do you think? How does buhddist thinking effect your relationships? In what context is the buddha anit or pro love?
Personaly when it comes to love I like to think of how love changes over the life span. In youth love is powerful and all consuming. When your a teenager and in love nothing else matters. You can be driven to the ends of the earth for it. In old age however your experince with love is transformed. Love is important, and is charished with gentilness not found in youth. It is welcomed while it comes, and while it is missed when it goes, our lives are not so interwoven with it that becomes like lossing oneself.
I think old age come closser to the ideal. Love between people will come and go, it will rise and fall. And while we should value it when it comes we must not allow it to define us or build up false egos.
At least thats how I see it. Maby you all think different?
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:53 am
The Buddhist teaching is anti-lust and anti-attachment, not anti-love. The love that Buddhism promotes is much greater than those delusions of "love" caused by lust and attachment. It is unconditional love. A transcendent love. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:21 am
I agree with Chrono_Tata there. We have to keep in mind all of the lay-practicing Buddhists through the centuries who have had spouses and children. They certainly loved their spouse and their children, but they also knew all about attachment.
Many Buddhist teachers encourage romantic love, but they stress non-attachment. I know from my own experience that when I'm in a relationship with someone I care about, I have a small fear somewhere that I may lose them. And that fear can sometimes turn to jealousy, or worry, or even pride. These subtle emotions prevent me from fully enjoying the relationship.
If you are free from attachment, then your love can flow freely (as fluffy as that sounds), without being smeared by the aggregates of attachment.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:30 pm
[ Jizo Bosatsu ] I agree with Chrono_Tata there. We have to keep in mind all of the lay-practicing Buddhists through the centuries who have had spouses and children. They certainly loved their spouse and their children, but they also knew all about attachment. Many Buddhist teachers encourage romantic love, but they stress non-attachment. I know from my own experience that when I'm in a relationship with someone I care about, I have a small fear somewhere that I may lose them. And that fear can sometimes turn to jealousy, or worry, or even pride. These subtle emotions prevent me from fully enjoying the relationship. If you are free from attachment, then your love can flow freely (as fluffy as that sounds), without being smeared by the aggregates of attachment. Yea, that what I was going for. Though you explain it best. But now that I think about it the more I think that the issue isint love persay but rather passion. For alot of people love means passion, and for real passion you need to loose yourself. How do you respond to people who say, "while buddhism has love, it is a love free from passion and thus a lesser form of love"?
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:28 pm
ஐღ Well, I'm sure if you approached passion with the right view, it could become part of one's practice. But I'm sure that would be very Tantric in nature, or possibly even a practice in Chan. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:35 pm
The admonishment of the will and the defeat of selfish desires, from what I've learned, doesn't suggest that Buddhism is anti-love at all. The love that the Buddha talked about was more of a universal type of love, as someone said before "transcendental love". Compassion is born of love, not the type we see on these ridiculous movies, but the type that is born from acts of kindness, mindful listening, mindful living, and mindful acting.
Those who say that Buddhism is anti-love really know very little. As Buddha said, "A man who speaks without knowing is a man counted as a fool amongst sages."
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:19 pm
I don't think it's as simple as "a bond between people can be seen as hurting Buddhist goals" This idea has more relevance to the monastic community then to lay people. If the Buddha was teaching "anti-relationships" as you are describing it then the Buddhism would die out because people would never enter relationships and therefore not procreate. This is a complete contradiction and would support the idea of nihilism, a common misunderstanding of the Buddhist philosophy by non-Buddhists
It has more to do with your state of mind when you’re in a relationship, the states of mind and mental traps one should avoid while in a relationship: jealousy, domineering, contentiousness, over protectiveness etc. It's the same with owning possessions, there’s nothing wrong with owning a lot of things so long as you have the right state of mind towards them.
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:58 pm
Chrono_Tata The Buddhist teaching is anti-lust and anti-attachment, not anti-love. The love that Buddhism promotes is much greater than those delusions of "love" caused by lust and attachment. It is unconditional love. A transcendent love. 3nodding My thoughts exactly. Love itself is perfect and so we should try to acchieve it. It's the human weakness that screws it up when we fall in love and lust for all the wrong reasons.
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