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Fatal Hilarity

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:42 pm


Quote:
Jerusalem gay march damned by religious Jews
Jennie Matthew | Jerusalem, Israel
06 November 2006 01:43

Thousands of gay Israelis are to rally in Jerusalem on Friday, defying the risk of violence from religious hard-liners outraged by what they brand an abomination to the sanctity of the Holy City.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews have staged nightly violent protests, aiming to force the cancellation of an already twice-delayed event, downscaled from a World Pride parade that would have gathered gays and lesbians from around the globe.

Promoted by organisers and their supporters as a democratic right to celebrate homosexuality and tolerance, the rally has been castigated as a vile disease, a breach of morality and an incitement to violence by religious hard-liners.

Jerusalem, considered by Israel as its capital, the eastern occupied sector of which Palestinians dream of making their own capital, is deeply polarised -- seculars and gays pitted against fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Muslims.

"We are absolutely determined to go ahead with this march," says Elena Canetti, chairperson of Jerusalem Open House (JOH), the city's gay, bisexual, lesbian and transgender support group for both Israelis and Palestinians.

Her ambitions for a World Pride rally were scrapped because of Israel's summer exit from the Gaza Strip in 2005 and war in Lebanon in August this year.

"It won't be provocative. There will no floats, naked men; it will not be next to churches, synagogues or mosques," she adds, her job as deputy head of a marketing company on hold to promote the parade.

Throughout last week, more than 30 people were arrested and six police officers injured in protests that saw security forces use water cannons to disperse ultra-Orthodox Jews who set light to bus stops, bins and assaulted officers.

Police are gearing up for a marathon security effort that will see 12 000 officers on duty, leave cancelled and reinforcements brought in from other districts in a maximum state of alert last seen on general election day in March.

Police chiefs and gay organisers on Monday agreed to switch the route of the parade from downtown to the ultra-secure zone around various government ministries, the Supreme Court and central bank, far from religious sites.

Despite accelerating protests ahead of the march, Attorney General Menachem Mazuz ruled on Sunday that the rally -- the fifth gay march in Jerusalem -- should go ahead "so that the principle of freedom of expression is respected".

Pride celebrations around the world attract between 15-million and 20-million. The first World Pride, in Rome in 2000, was attended by a quarter-million people.

Homosexuality was legalised in Israel only 18 years ago and Palestinian society still has a zero-tolerance policy on the issue.

"This isn't the Gay Pride parade but the disgrace parade and we shouldn't be proud to hold it," says MP Yaakov Cohen, from the religious United Torah Judaism party, calling on police to cancel it "to prevent unpleasant things".

"This shouldn't be legitimised and our youth shouldn't be exposed to this. Obviously, no one would want his son to catch this disease."

MP Shlomo Ben Yizri, from the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, also warns against the risk of violence, vowing to take every legal step to stop "these deviants".

"We believe God will be very upset with us and we must do everything to stop them so that God does not punish all people in Jerusalem. I suppose it [the parade] will be very dangerous. It will be very terrible; there will be violence," he said, speaking in English.

Canetti admits that most gay, bisexual and transgender people attached to the JOH, including Palestinians, are "in the closet", reluctant to live openly out of fear of retribution in a deeply traditional city where religion dominates.

"Palestinians won't march ... I can say, regretfully, because of their culture and society has certain rules and norms, it's very hard for them to take part.

"These are ideas that belong to the 19th century and backwards. It is a pity that extreme radical rabbis have incited violence and converted us into monsters," says the Uruguayan-born campaigner. -- Sapa-AFP


A penny for your thoughts?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:43 pm


If they want to march, let them march. Its not like they are doing a different march where they are shouting and screaming about death to an entire, internationally recognized country like some other deviants do ninja

I think the orthodox kinda sound like the evangelical christians that we have here in america... sweatdrop

Macaroni Jesus


Fatal Hilarity

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:51 pm


Donovinhs Knight
If they want to march, let them march. Its not like they are doing a different march where they are shouting and screaming about death to an entire, internationally recognized country like some other deviants do ninja

I think the orthodox kinda sound like the evangelical christians that we have here in america... sweatdrop
I'm afraid that's correct. confused
I'm going to go. I'm not gay, but they just pissed me off so much I'm going to do it just to spite. They can't harm democracy without going through irritated-as-hell me first. scream
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:00 pm


Donovinhs Knight
I think the orthodox kinda sound like the evangelical christians that we have here in america... sweatdrop


Sad but true.

Guess everywhere has its hyperfollowers, those who actually seem to want to set society back a couple...hundred...years or so sweatdrop

I think people are acting silly over it. Its just a gay march, its not like they are a threat to anyone...they just want their voices heard and while some may not like it they shouldnt be not allowed to have a peacefull march because others dont like it

The Original Sock Fairy


YvetteEmilieDupont

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:32 pm


:glare: sound more like communist to me. Stupid morons. You'd think after everyone HATING US would give them green light TO NOT HATE EACHOTHER stupid a** wipes. :glare: stupid ignorant morons... surprised ne more glare just to make it all good:


If you can't tell I'm all for gay rights. ::happy dance::

you go people ::gives them all rainbow cookies and cakes::

Okay and just to clearify myself, because I feel I should.

I'm trying to make people like gay people, I just want you to stand them. Hell you don't even have to stand them just don't make an a** out of yourselves.

Oh and since everyone in the thread seems really awsome you all get yummy cookies and milk which are both kosher. Okie dokie ^.^
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:39 am


YvetteEmilieDupont
:glare: sound more like communist to me. Stupid morons. You'd think after everyone HATING US would give them green light TO NOT HATE EACHOTHER stupid a** wipes. :glare: stupid ignorant morons... surprised ne more glare just to make it all good:


If you can't tell I'm all for gay rights. ::happy dance::

you go people ::gives them all rainbow cookies and cakes::

Okay and just to clearify myself, because I feel I should.

I'm trying to make people like gay people, I just want you to stand them. Hell you don't even have to stand them just don't make an a** out of yourselves.

Oh and since everyone in the thread seems really awsome you all get yummy cookies and milk which are both kosher. Okie dokie ^.^
Yay. ^^
I think it's odd that homosexuals are hated. They must be the only group that has never, ever caused harm to anyone.
That's just being cruel and ignorant.

Fatal Hilarity


kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:08 pm


I know someone who is going. I kinda wish I could go too. I've always wanted to participate in a cause like that...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:50 am


F. Fritzi
YvetteEmilieDupont
:glare: sound more like communist to me. Stupid morons. You'd think after everyone HATING US would give them green light TO NOT HATE EACHOTHER stupid a** wipes. :glare: stupid ignorant morons... surprised ne more glare just to make it all good:


If you can't tell I'm all for gay rights. ::happy dance::

you go people ::gives them all rainbow cookies and cakes::

Okay and just to clearify myself, because I feel I should.

I'm trying to make people like gay people, I just want you to stand them. Hell you don't even have to stand them just don't make an a** out of yourselves.

Oh and since everyone in the thread seems really awsome you all get yummy cookies and milk which are both kosher. Okie dokie ^.^
Yay. ^^
I think it's odd that homosexuals are hated. They must be the only group that has never, ever caused harm to anyone.
That's just being cruel and ignorant.

exactly what I think which is why i'm so passionate about the cause.

YvetteEmilieDupont


nathan_ngl
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:27 pm


I really don't care if they march or not, they have their right to do what they like, whenever they like.

Until they show disrespect for the holiness of Jerusalem, that is.

Marching is fine, but what point exactly are they trying to make by marching through Jerusalem? There are many, MANY other places, and they know that it will cause such an outrage, so why go through with it? Just for spite?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:12 pm


nathan_ngl
I really don't care if they march or not, they have their right to do what they like, whenever they like.

Until they show disrespect for the holiness of Jerusalem, that is.

Marching is fine, but what point exactly are they trying to make by marching through Jerusalem? There are many, MANY other places, and they know that it will cause such an outrage, so why go through with it? Just for spite?


gotta agree with nathan here, yea shure, theres gay people, we 've learned to live with it, but we all know how holy Jerusalem is to the religious.

Akhos


YvetteEmilieDupont

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:03 pm


Akhilles
nathan_ngl
I really don't care if they march or not, they have their right to do what they like, whenever they like.

Until they show disrespect for the holiness of Jerusalem, that is.

Marching is fine, but what point exactly are they trying to make by marching through Jerusalem? There are many, MANY other places, and they know that it will cause such an outrage, so why go through with it? Just for spite?


gotta agree with nathan here, yea shure, theres gay people, we 've learned to live with it, but we all know how holy Jerusalem is to the religious.

rolleyes
You're point it's also the freaking capital.
I just think everyone should stop getting their panties in a bunch and get over it. Let's move past being 3 years old.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:28 am


nathan_ngl
I really don't care if they march or not, they have their right to do what they like, whenever they like.

Until they show disrespect for the holiness of Jerusalem, that is.

Marching is fine, but what point exactly are they trying to make by marching through Jerusalem? There are many, MANY other places, and they know that it will cause such an outrage, so why go through with it? Just for spite?
Because they have the right to.

They can march in Jerusalem and they can march in Nazerath and they can march in Holon, I don't give a damn. You know why? Because that's the law and that's democracy. The march in Jerusalem (as many of its opponents refuse to acknoledge) was not planned and never was provocative. The marchers are fully dressed. They don't march anyway near a Haredi neighborhood, synagogues, masques or churches. They don't make out in the street. They just march demanding their equal rights. Just like the soldiers did after the war. Just like Vicki Knaffo. Just like the Ethiopians.

So why does this frustrate the Haredim so much? Because they marchers are gay. No other reason I can see. Those people protest against injustice that was caused to them, just like the Ethiopians are doing right now. If some group that found black people very disturbing would claim it offended by those "damn niggers", spreading their "evil witchcrafts" and "unholliness" in Jerusalem, would you accept that? It is, after all, the exact same point you make here. Hating gays doesn't give you the right to make an arse of yourself, stab innocent people and prevent them from protesting while the Supreme Court gave them the right to.

What you're saying is that if the local population of a city doesn't like the group that's about to protest, then the protest shouldn't happen. Wow. Sounds like Iran to me.

ויקיפדיה

בעוד בתל אביב המצעד כיום נושא אופי המוני, מיני וממוסחר, המצעד בירושלים קטן יותר בהיקפו, ונושא אופי מחאתי ופוליטי. בתל אביב צעדו בשנת 2005 קרוב ל100,000 איש, ובירושלים צעדו קרוב ל-10,000.



Find the differences.


Really scary and provocative.
March in Jerusalem.
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Totally different? Ethiopian protest in Jerusalem.
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Looks like the same thing to me.

Fatal Hilarity


Fatal Hilarity

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:40 am


Akhilles
nathan_ngl
I really don't care if they march or not, they have their right to do what they like, whenever they like.

Until they show disrespect for the holiness of Jerusalem, that is.

Marching is fine, but what point exactly are they trying to make by marching through Jerusalem? There are many, MANY other places, and they know that it will cause such an outrage, so why go through with it? Just for spite?


gotta agree with nathan here, yea shure, theres gay people, we 've learned to live with it, but we all know how holy Jerusalem is to the religious.
YOU've learnt to live with it, those mentioned in the article haven't really.

Quote:
Ultra-Orthodox Jews have staged nightly violent protests, aiming to force the cancellation of an already twice-delayed event, downscaled from a World Pride parade that would have gathered gays and lesbians from around the globe.

Promoted by organisers and their supporters as a democratic right to celebrate homosexuality and tolerance, the rally has been castigated as a vile disease, a breach of morality and an incitement to violence by religious hard-liners.

To me it doesn't seem like they've learnt to live with it.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:19 am


i think that the parade is somthing legitimate. and the fact that it is taking place in Jerusalem should be no problem. i personally know the son of a very important man in the homosexul cummunity in israel and he told me that they wenen't going to have trucks driving along near them, they weren't going to sound music, make out or strip and so on. they just wanted to make a parade, and have an event in the end of it. i could understand the ultra-orthodox jews if the gay people do things that aren't acceptable, but walking at the steet is nothing unusual. alot of gay people live in jerusalem... they are just a big amount of them walking toghether in the parade.

somthing i would never agreee with is using violence to get to goals. violence is NO solution and i was really ashamed of the people who were part of the many violent act happening in the past few days against the parade. israel is a democratic country. no group can take thr rights of another group. i disagree with the surrender to the ultra-orthodox jews who use violence. this is not a way to solve a conflict...

i have much more to say about this but now ihave no time to expend... this is a very important subject in my point of view and i have very interesting discussions about it with my freinds and family in the last few days.

D Girl


Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:02 am


F. Fritzi
ויקיפדיה

בעוד בתל אביב המצעד כיום נושא אופי המוני, מיני וממוסחר, המצעד בירושלים קטן יותר בהיקפו, ונושא אופי מחאתי ופוליטי. בתל אביב צעדו בשנת 2005 קרוב ל100,000 איש, ובירושלים צעדו קרוב ל-10,000.


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